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posted 09 July 2007 11:49 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sheehan organizes march and targets Democrats

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Sheehan, who has never held public office, is also encouraging others to challenge Democratic incumbents.

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Bacchus
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posted 09 July 2007 11:53 AM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, splitting the dem vote. The repugs must be loving this!
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posted 09 July 2007 11:58 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Democrats? Republicans? What's the diff?

I know. I know. Different set of global corporations get to pocket the booty.


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posted 09 July 2007 12:19 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is incredible! She's advocating that the grassroots attempt to take over the Democratic Party. How can this be anything but good?

Sheehan is awesome. Pelosi better listen up good. You don't get to be a half-Republican and still be entitled to left-wing Democratic support.

Right on! This is an amazing action! I can't wait to see what DailyKos and DU think about this. I'll bet they're foaming at the mouth over it.

Ha! Sure enough - Should Cindy run? Heck no!

Good for you, Cindy. Scare the crap out of those Republicrats! Just gonna check out the comments in the thread now and see how many of those nice, progressive Democrats are calling her a whore now.

[ 09 July 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 09 July 2007 01:11 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We really need someone like her down there. Uncorrupted and angry as hell.
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posted 09 July 2007 01:12 PM      Profile for Paul Gross   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bacchus:
Wow, splitting the dem vote. The repugs must be loving this!

There is no risk of a repub winning Pelosi's San Francisco seat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelosi#Electoral_history

Sheehan could easily finish ahead of the repub. Last time, the repub got 11% and the Green candidate got 8%, Pelosi won with 80% which was actually less than her usual margin of victory.

The dems won the congress in November in large part by promising to end the war and block the Bush madness. Sheehan helped them win and now probably feels personally betrayed and used. There is nothing wrong with applying strategic pressure on the congressional dems to motivate them to keep their own promises.


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posted 10 July 2007 07:57 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know, reading Sheehan in her own words, I'm not so sure I'd support her.

She's against income taxes, and says they're unconstitutional?

For me, that's a huge red flag. Right-wing on economic issues is not okay.


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posted 10 July 2007 08:12 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
You know, reading Sheehan in her own words, I'm not so sure I'd support her.

She's against income taxes, and says they're unconstitutional?

For me, that's a huge red flag. Right-wing on economic issues is not okay.


Against the war, against taxes, strict constitutionalist. Sounds like a paleoconservative.


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posted 10 July 2007 09:29 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't think she sounds like a paleoconservative at all.
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posted 10 July 2007 10:19 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
She's against income taxes, and says they're unconstitutional?

On the site you link, Sheehan decries "permanent federal (and unconstitutional) income taxes" -- emphasis added. She does not say one way or another whether she is against all income tax, e.g. state income tax.


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posted 13 July 2007 06:35 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I will be running on the People for Humanity platform that is coalescing right now with other possible exciting candidates coming onboard to challenge other corrupt Repugs and do-nothing Dems. Politics are not the be-all and end-all of our society and one thing we all need to learn is that people power should run this country, not a bunch of corporately controlled wealthy elitists disconnected from humanity and reality. The system of constant war and constant war profiteering needs to be challenged in a very pronounced way if we want constant peace and a system of sustainability. Great social change will not happen without great sacrifice and maybe its time to suck it up and work for a better country, and then a better world by default.

I like her more every day

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posted 14 July 2007 10:52 PM      Profile for BetterRed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Since I didnt read the whole thing,

So is she running on her own party and platform?
And where?


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posted 12 September 2007 04:22 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Pigs of War come in both political colors of red and blue. We are all unfortunately very familiar with the red pigs. The pigs of war who manipulated, cherry-picked, stove-piped and manufactured intelligence to suggest to the world that Saddam had mushroom cloud producing WMD and something to do with the tragic events of 9-11 that occurred six years ago now.

Many blue politicians are pigs of war and they willingly went along with the deceptions and even parroted red pig talking points whenever they got a chance but now claim that the “fiendishly clever” George fooled them into believing the nearly unbelievable.



Pigs of War

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posted 14 September 2007 04:32 AM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Despite the seeming right wing angle of the 'no income tax' call, she's got a point. The right amount of states needed to ratify their constitution amending the incometax law has yet to be passed, it's just an issue of legality not partisanship.

And anyway, if you stopped paying federal tax in the US, the best thing that would happen is a bankrupting of the US army.


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posted 14 September 2007 06:55 AM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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And anyway, if you stopped paying federal tax in the US, the best thing that would happen is a bankrupting of the US army.

More likely thing is you'd end up in jail.


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posted 14 September 2007 11:18 AM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually there's been 4-5 cases that I know of where people refused to pay, went to court and asked the IRS to prove that it was a law they had to pay taxes. The IRS refused to provide proof and the judges ruled in favour of the people.
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posted 14 September 2007 09:19 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And every case has been appealed, with the people losing and the main advocate for it, serving 5-10 in federal prison
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posted 05 October 2007 01:50 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Imagine no possessions: This is the crux of our problem. Going back to my brothers and sisters at the slot machines in Vegas, pulling almost catatonically on the lever of the One Armed Bandit, for what? To win the "jackpot" of course! How nice is it of the State of Nevada to allow gambling machines in their airports, so we can perchance live the American dream of buying higher stacks of stuff! On a day that George vetoed the health of over six-million children here in America, 16,000 children around the world died of starvation. In a week that we saw murder on a horrendous scale in Burma, more Iraqis were killed or forced from their homes by violence: to wander in the desert, or probably off to Syria where their daughters may be forced into prostitution to help support the family which should be able to live in peace and relative prosperity in their own country. Imagine that.

Imagine Peace

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posted 15 October 2007 05:12 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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There are very few people in the world that would not sympathize with or become outraged when monks are beaten and killed because they protested high gas prices.

Wait a minute…they were protesting high gas prices? Gas? Hmmm…what does that tell us? As Democracy Now! Host, Amy Goodman has written, Chevron is a major player in that country’s destabilization because the gas that travels in its pipeline supports the military junta. Why, when there is trouble around the world a US oil company is usually behind it? And isn’t it amazing that a former member of Chevron’s board is our Secretary of State and a former Unocal employee is now president of Afghanistan? In my opinion oil based diplomacy is centered on destruction and tyranny and nothing positive has ever come from it.

I understand Laura’s concern for Burma and its brutal oppression under the military junta. I have those same concerns. However, a recent article in WaPo extolling Laura’s deep humanitarian concern mentions that she has visited 68 countries in her tenure as First Lady. I wonder if she has been to Iraq? I wonder if she has visited the millions of Iraqi and Palestinian refugees in Jordan and Syria who have been forced from their country by her husband’s tragic policies?



Matthew 7:3 (Look it up)

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