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Snuckles
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posted 25 September 2006 01:18 PM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Abortion foes' new rallying point

Conservatives take on contraception

By Judith Graham
Tribune staff reporter

September 24, 2006

Emboldened by the anti-abortion movement's success in restricting access to abortion, an increasingly vocal group of Christian conservatives is arguing that it's time to mount a concerted attack on contraception.

Their voices were raised in Rosemont on Friday and Saturday at an unusual anti-abortion meeting that drew 250 people from around the nation to condemn artificial birth control. Experts at the gathering assailed contraception on the grounds that it devalues children, harms relationships between men and women, promotes sexual promiscuity and leads to falling birth rates, among social ills.

"Contraception is more the root cause of abortion than anything else," Joseph Scheidler, an anti-abortion veteran whose Pro-Life Action League sponsored the conference, said in an interview.

No one knows how many supporters Scheidler and his colleagues have, but conservative leaders are watching to see if the anti-contraception rhetoric gains traction.


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Doug
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posted 25 September 2006 01:33 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"Contraception is more the root cause of abortion than anything else," Joseph Scheidler, an anti-abortion veteran whose Pro-Life Action League sponsored the conference, said in an interview.

So there would be fewer abortions if people didn't use contraception??? This man's in a different universe.


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StockwellDay
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posted 25 September 2006 02:35 PM      Profile for StockwellDay     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A lot of Christians use the rythym method to avoid pregnancy. This causes most natural abortions (having sex on a day when you could almost, but not quite, concieve), which is, of course, pre-meditated murder. Will the Christian fundies promise only to have sex on days when God guarantees a pregnancy?
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Michelle
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posted 25 September 2006 03:19 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do they? I've never known any Christians who endorsed that, and I was in an evangelical church for years.

Actually, scratch that. I knew a Mormon who did it, because she was amazingly regular, and had this fantastic computerized device that would take her temperature and calculate her charts (and it worked - no accidents in the years she used it!) but I think she might also have used condoms on occasion as well.

A common misconception (ha, aren't I funny?) about fundamentalists and evangelicals is that they are against birth control. From what I know, this is not true. They are against extramarital sex and homosexuality, but the mainstream evangelical and fundamentalist churches don't preach against contraception.

I realize the Catholic church preaches against it. But as I said in another thread, I'm sure I've seen statistics somewhere or other about how many Catholics observe this teaching, and they're in the vast minority nowadays.


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500_Apples
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posted 25 September 2006 04:15 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Their flawed logic is that without contraception the clock will be turned back on the sexual revolution, thus reducing abortion rates. Abortion is a symbol to some of the depraved, barren and ultimately unjesus-like decoupling of sexuality and reproduction.
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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 25 September 2006 06:47 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The morons in the USA continue to increase exponentially and become emboldened.

Will they finally overreach on this issue and do themselves irreperable harm? Nowadays its hard to say - don't bet against them.


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remind
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posted 25 September 2006 08:33 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't call 250 rallying a massive supported movement.

whats that about 1% of Catholics in the uSA?


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Jooge
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posted 26 September 2006 11:08 AM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by StockwellDay:
A lot of Christians use the rythym method to avoid pregnancy. This causes most natural abortions (having sex on a day when you could almost, but not quite, concieve), which is, of course, pre-meditated murder. Will the Christian fundies promise only to have sex on days when God guarantees a pregnancy?

You can't have an abortion until you are pregnant, i.e. a fertilised egg has successfully implanted itself in the uterine wall. You can't be almost pregnant. To suggest that having sex on day that it is not possible to conceive on is premediated murder is incredibly dumb. Without conception their is no embryo, no cell division no nothing. Its akin to saying that any woman of child baring age who doesn't get pregnant every month is guilty of pre-mediated murder because they have allowed an unfertilised egg to expelled from tehir body during their period. Both suggestions are stupid stupid stupid.


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arborman
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posted 26 September 2006 11:15 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know what they call people who use the rythym method?

Parents.


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Catchfire
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posted 26 September 2006 11:27 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jooge:
Its akin to saying that any woman of child baring age who doesn't get pregnant every month is guilty of pre-mediated murder because they have allowed an unfertilised egg to expelled from tehir body during their period.

Of course, that's precisely the stance the Christian Right (and George Bush) takes in their stance against stem-cell research. Each one of those embryos that is destroyed is a potential human life! And damn the woman who condemns them to death! (Also, I'm pretty sure that Stockwell Day was joking. Are you?)

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posted 26 September 2006 11:43 AM      Profile for libertarian        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only true method of birth control is abstinance. That has only been known to fail once.
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Jooge
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posted 26 September 2006 11:45 AM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:

Of course, that's precisely the stance the Christian Right (and George Bush) takes in their stance against stem-cell research. Each one of those embryos that is destroyed is a potential human life! And damn the woman who condemns them to death! (Also, I'm pretty sure that Stockwell Day was joking. Are you?)

If he was then I was too.


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Jooge
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posted 26 September 2006 12:00 PM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I realize the Catholic church preaches against it. But as I said in another thread, I'm sure I've seen statistics somewhere or other about how many Catholics observe this teaching, and they're in the vast minority nowadays.

See that's the beauty of confession. As long as you go confess all once a week you can do whatever the hell you like during the rest of the week and only have to say a few Hail Mary's as a consequence.

All together now....

'Every sperm sacred, every sperm is great, if a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate'


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slimpikins
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posted 26 September 2006 01:52 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh great. How about those millions of 'potential children' that I squandered in the bathroom in my youth?

I am going to invest in a set of flame retardant coveralls.


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Jooge
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posted 26 September 2006 05:02 PM      Profile for Jooge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by slimpikins:
Oh great. How about those millions of 'potential children' that I squandered in the bathroom in my youth?

I am going to invest in a set of flame retardant coveralls.


Just im your youth?


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Michelle
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posted 26 September 2006 05:52 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another reason why we grils are so lucky, I guess. All the fun, none of the guilt over "spilled seed".
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