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Hephaestion
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posted 22 February 2006 07:06 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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(Winnipeg) The slaying of a 19-year-old convenience store clerk following an attempted robbery Monday night is once again raising questions about the safety of employees who work alone.

In this case, police won't confirm a news report that the victim was shot just before 10 p.m. while his parents, Korean immigrants who own the family-run store in Winnipeg's north end, were in their upstairs apartment and saw the horror unfold on a video surveillance system.

The incident is the latest in a growing list of tragedies across Canada involving employees working in quiet businesses, alone, after dark.

Winnipeg police say such jobs can be dangerous, but they are encouraged to see more businesses taking steps to protect their staff.

"What we have been seeing is an increase in doubling up, or having more than one staff member, so obviously safety is a concern for the store owners," said Winnipeg police Const. Jacqueline Chaput.

[ 22 February 2006: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 22 February 2006 10:07 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Winnipeg police say such jobs can be dangerous, but they are encouraged to see more businesses taking steps to protect their staff.

Maybe they should double-shift employees, so one can work the cash, and one can just sit there with a cocked double-barrel over their knee, giving lowlifes the stinkeye, like in stagecoach days.


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radiorahim
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posted 22 February 2006 11:35 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a good argument for unionization...where workers can be protected at least to some degree by collective agreements...collective agreements which can have provisions whereby staff aren't required to work alone...especially overnight...or maybe have silent alarms installed etc.


Although this particular convenience store was a "mom & pop" outfit...and not exactly a place one can unionize, alot of them aren't anymore...they're "chain" outfits like 7-11.


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crigaux
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posted 23 February 2006 12:06 AM      Profile for crigaux     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by radiorahim:
Although this particular convenience store was a "mom & pop" outfit...and not exactly a place one can unionize, alot of them aren't anymore...they're "chain" outfits like 7-11.


There's no reason a 7-11 or equivalent can't be unionized.. and consider how small some of them are, you would think that getting 2/3 support would be easy in at least ONE worksite.

It seems kind of sad and pathetic that the shop-owners couldn't even double-staff for their own kid.

Incidentally, the Prov. government just finished a 'review' of the Employment Standards Code.


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radiorahim
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posted 23 February 2006 12:30 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe I didn't write that very clearly...but yes indeed that's my point ... 7-11's can and should be unionized...along with all the other chain type convenience stores.

Although with a "mom and pop" ... its pretty hard to do that....you know "hey mom if you don't give me a good contract I'm going to picket the store".


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Paul Gross
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posted 23 February 2006 12:48 AM      Profile for Paul Gross   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remonds me of the old Woody Allen routine "My father had a grocery store in Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn, and he hired me to work for him. I was a delivery boy for my father, that was my first job, and I unionized the workers and we struck and drove him out of business. He's always been touchy about it."
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posted 23 February 2006 01:30 AM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm hearing on the news and reading in the paper that the victim fought back when the store was being robbed. Not that this excuses the violence, but most police services will tell people who are being robbed not to resist, comply with the robber's demands, and contact police. All the get-tough-on-crime measures don't matter when someone is dead, and won't bring back any victims.
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Hephaestion
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posted 23 February 2006 06:35 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, too weird...

Store clerk killed during robbery accused of robbing other stores

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A young store clerk shot and killed during a robbery Monday night was facing his own charges of robbery and theft.

Court documents show Edwin Yue, 19, was accused of robbing seven different convenience stores - one twice - and two jewelry stores in a three-week period in the fall of 2004.

Yue was alleged to have used knives, machetes, baseball bats and other weapons to steal cash, cigarettes, lottery tickets, a watch and a diamond ring.

He had been released on bail and was staying with his parents, who own the north-end independent convenience store where Yue was shot.

"The charges were at the preliminary inquiry stage," Yue's lawyer, Ryan Rolston, said Wednesday.

"He had entered a not guilty plea and was in the process of contesting the charges."

Police have charged David Edward Cote, 28, with second-degree murder in Yue's death, and say Cote was supposed to be staying at a halfway house after being released from prison.

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Fidel
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posted 23 February 2006 08:27 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think I read where small business owners were complaining about the recent tax hike on ciggy butts making them more vulnerable to robberies. I don't believe the feds should be playing yo-yo with the least of us suffering addictions. It was sooooo hard for me to quit a few years ago. I almost throttled a few people myself. And I always carried at least one cigarette and a match around with me while suffering from withdrawal. I wouldn't have robbed a store at gunpoint for my addiction.. I don't think?. But that's just me.
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posted 23 February 2006 01:38 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Store clerk killed during robbery accused of robbing other stores

Could it be in this case that all the robberies are connected, and that someone had a score to settle?

[ 23 February 2006: Message edited by: Aristotleded24 ]


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 23 February 2006 01:53 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
I wouldn't have robbed a store at gunpoint for my addiction.. I don't think?. But that's just me.

I don't think cigarettes are stolen by tobacco addicts who can't afford them due to tax hikes. They're stolen because they're easy to sell and untraceable.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 23 February 2006 02:45 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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They're stolen because they're easy to sell and untraceable.

Murdering a human for cigarettes is beyond reprehensible. It's an abomination. What's that? You've got some cheap smokes in the trunk of your car? $40 a carton? Well, uh, here's that $80 I owe you *wink*


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posted 23 February 2006 04:10 PM      Profile for Andrew_Jay        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Aristotleded24:
I'm hearing on the news and reading in the paper that the victim fought back when the store was being robbed. Not that this excuses the violence, but most police services will tell people who are being robbed not to resist, comply with the robber's demands, and contact police.
That is also almost always the policy of the store itself - I know I was told to not raise a finger if I was held-up, and I've heard of people being fired for resisting a robbery.

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Aristotleded24
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posted 23 February 2006 05:24 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Murdering a human for cigarettes is beyond reprehensible. It's an abomination. What's that? You've got some cheap smokes in the trunk of your car? $40 a carton? Well, uh, here's that $80 I owe you *wink*

People who want to steal cigarettes aren't out to kill anyone, they're out to make quick money. The reason it's a bad idea to resist a robbery is that the person doing the robbery is not in a rational frame of mind (obviously), and if they sense a problem they could easily snap and hurt or kill somebody. Risking your safety over some cigarettes or money or anything else isn't worth it.

When people steal cigarettes from a store, do they usually chose to rob the place with at least one cashier present, or do they break in when the store's closed and do a quick grab that way?


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Fidel
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posted 23 February 2006 05:54 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Reality. Bites.:

I don't think cigarettes are stolen by tobacco addicts who can't afford them due to tax hikes. They're stolen because they're easy to sell and untraceable.


Oh I agree. And then there are people who live on such a tight subsistence budget and clipping coupons to afford a box of KD that a tax hike on smokes is the last straw. I've seen low income people scrounging for butts in the outside ashtrays and parking lots.

At the same time, sick people with excruciating cancer and other sources of pain cannot access the most natural and effective pain killer known to man because big pharma's wouldn't be able to patent a pill for heroin. The doctors excuses range from "We don't want our patients going to heaven as drug addicts" to "We don't want our offices broken into for heroin." Never mind that bathroom concoctions have killed more addicts than pure, regulated sources of heroin ever have.

It's all about capitalism and capitalizing on regulated scarcity. Tobacco is big money for business and the feds. They don't give a shit about anyone's health. There is no cure for addictions. The feds and big business are counting on that.

[ 23 February 2006: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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posted 23 February 2006 09:57 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Aristotleded24:
I'm hearing on the news and reading in the paper that the victim fought back when the store was being robbed. Not that this excuses the violence, but most police services will tell people who are being robbed not to resist, comply with the robber's demands, and contact police. All the get-tough-on-crime measures don't matter when someone is dead, and won't bring back any victims.

A couple of weeks ago in London, a young woman who worked the all night gas bar not far from me unlocked the door for a guy so he could call a cab.

He attempted to rape her, but she managed to call police and her boyfriend. The boyfriend got there first, and police found the man who assaulted his girlfriend unconscious on the floor of the gas bar.

The boyfriend has been charged by police with use of excessive force. Which is really ironic in London, where police can do pretty much anything to anyone and get away with it. One would think they stretched the excessive force envelope so much that a few extra wacks against some guy who assaulted your girlfriend is pretty unremarkable.

There's a lot of unanswered questions about that case, but it just goes to show.

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posted 13 March 2006 09:53 AM      Profile for vampman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I work in a 7-11 in Spring Valley, CA.
I was robbed a few hours ago by some tweeker, and am still thankful to have my life. Alot of liquor stores in the East County area have been robbed alot lately, and people are getting killed.
I'm a computer guy and lost my license a year ago and this was the only thing that was close to my house to work, this is bullshit.

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posted 13 March 2006 09:56 AM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First of all, welcome vampman. Second... I'm very glad you weren't hurt.
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posted 13 March 2006 10:01 AM      Profile for vampman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you, that was quite the quick reply
Nice to meet you all also.

That wasn't quite the rush I was looking for, you know, but I guess stuff happens.


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Melsky
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posted 13 March 2006 12:42 PM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Vampman! I live in Toronto now but I am originally from La Mesa, CA. Welcome to Babble.
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Loretta
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posted 13 March 2006 02:07 PM      Profile for Loretta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's terrible, vampman. How scary for you. I'm glad you're alright. It's tough when one's options are limited by circumstances.
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posted 13 March 2006 09:08 PM      Profile for vampman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow Melsky that was quite a move.
I'm considering moving out of the country in about a years time. I've been saving money for awhile now, I'm just sick of the politics and the way our system is here.
I'm hoping to move somewhere with a good transit system so I can get a decent job wherever I go.

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posted 13 March 2006 09:11 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Welcome to Toronto!

Seriously, welcome to babble, hope you find it to your liking. Sorry to hear about what happened to you! That must have been scary. Glad you're all right.


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posted 13 March 2006 09:19 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
P.S. When I lived in Kingston, there was one store near an apartment building where I used to live. They were a 24 hour store, but they had the store outfitted so that after a certain hour (maybe 10 p.m.?) the entryway was closed in with bulletproof glass, so that people walked into the store, into a little "room" made of bullet proof glass, and they would ask the cashier to bring them stuff. Made sense to me.
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posted 13 March 2006 09:33 PM      Profile for vampman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To be honest I can't see why It's not like that in most places, here. (With the bulletproof glass and all.) This is turning into a pretty crappy neighborhood with the tweakers. Used to be equally as bad in the 80's with the organized gangs and cocaine.

Ever since the tweakers figured out how to easily turn their drugs into whats known as Ice now, it has just made a turn for the worse. In the last 2 years 4 trailers have burned down in the neighboring trailer park, from meth labs, next to the 7-11 I'm at. Well, theres actually 3 trailerparks where I'm at. Fortunatly I live in a nice big tweaker-free house.

At this moment I'm still trying to figure out whether I want to go back there tonight, or not. I have to work 11-7am.. *sigh.*

And again, thank you for your warm welcomes and your kindness.
-Drooo


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posted 13 March 2006 10:19 PM      Profile for vampman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
::UPDATE::
Boss called me and said "Your not coming to work tonight and I'm adding a bonus to your check this week, good job on doing your drops! I'm truly glad your safe."

YAY for human rights.


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posted 13 March 2006 10:25 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's wonderful news vampman! Just take care of yourself, okay?
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posted 13 March 2006 11:24 PM      Profile for vampman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you I will! Not to sound cheezy but I'm having a new perspective look at things.

*Did I cancel that gym membership?...*
hehe


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Diane Demorney
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posted 13 March 2006 11:33 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you want to feel even better, go over to the flirting thread, and skdadl will bat her eyelashes at you...
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employers have always viewed employees as expendable. Issues of personal safety will always fall to the worker to consider whether the pay is worth the risk. We can rant and rave and make all kinds of demands of employers. But nothing will ever compare to refusing to put oneself in a potentially dangerous position.
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quote:
Originally posted by otter:
employers have always viewed employees as expendable.
Yes, all employers of other human beings are inherently heartless and sociopathic scum who would sooner see a life snuffed out so it can be replaced by yet another meaningless drone. So that is your analysis. How insightful.

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