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Fidel
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posted 18 March 2007 03:20 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Report fingers banks TD, RBC invest in payday loan operations, group says

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Two of Canada's big banks are supporting predatory lending by owning shares in payday loan and subprime operations, says a grassroots advocacy group.

But both TD Canada Trust and the Royal Bank of Canada yesterday questioned the accuracy of a report, entitled A Conflict of Interest: How Canada's Largest Banks Support Predatory Lending, to be released today by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).

"Banks have created an economic apartheid and we demand that banks divest their stocks from all institutions that are part of the predatory economy, such as subprime mortgage and payday lenders," said Mohanie Ramanha, the group's leader.


Why are bank fees so high ?


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posted 26 March 2007 10:57 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's said that minority groups will comprise a fifth of Canada's population, and that minority groups are not sharing equally with respect to economic gains made in our country.

The Segregation of Native People in Canada - By: Michèle DuCharme

Economic Apartheidin Canada: The economic segregation and social marginalisation of racialised groups

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Creeping Economic Apartheid in Canada: the Economic segregation and social marginalisation of racialised groups calls attention to the growing racialisation of the gap between the rich and poor, which is proceeding with minimal public and policy attention, despite the dire implications for Canadian society. The report challenges some common myths about the economic performance of Canada s racialised communities, myths used to deflect public concern and to mask the growing social crisis. It points to the role of historical patterns of systemic racial iscrimination as key to understanding the ersistent overrepresentation of racialised groups in low paying occupations and low income sectors, their higher unemployment, and their poverty and social marginalisation. Historical patterns of differential treatment and occupational segregation in the labour market, and discriminatory governmental and institutional policies and practices, have led to the reproduction of racial inequality in other areas of Canadian life.

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The Apartheid System of Migration in Canada

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Imperialism, Globalization, and Migration

The reality of migration is one that reveals the asymmetrical relations between “rich” and “poor,” and between North and South, where the effects of colonialism and corporate globalization have created political economies that compel people to move. Such forces are the same forces that have perpetuated genocide and dispossession of indigenous peoples within the colonial project of "North America." A salient example of the impact of capitalism and neo-colonialism on migration trends is the US-Mexico border. As part of its inclusion in NAFTA in 1994, Mexico was forced to adjust its constitution’s Article 27, which guaranteed rights to communal lands (ejidos). A symbolic illustration of NAFTA’s effects is the fate of Mexican corn: the Mexican government was forced to eliminate subsidies to corn, meanwhile corn produced in the US remained subsidized, thus making it cheaper to buy US corn inside Mexico than Mexican corn. Over 1.5 million Mexican farmers who subsequently lost their farms migrated North to work in low-paying sectors and maquila factories. Wages among California’s 700,000 farm workers, half of whom are undocumented, is approximately $6.75 an hour.

Furthermore, the nature of the refugee determination system is far from being a simple exercise in humanitarianism. It can more accurately be labeled as a manifestation of Canada’s aggressive foreign policy. For example, Canada towed the ideological line of the US by being slow to react to the admission of Chilean refugees who were supporters of Salvador Allende after the violent US-backed coup of Allende's socialist government in 1973. By comparison, Canada was far more “humanitarian” in accepting approximately 60,000 refugees from South-East Asia, Vietnam and Laos who fled Communist regimes in the wake of Saigon's fall in 1975.



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posted 26 March 2007 04:57 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Academics telling us were a racist society are common. It's a formula theme. In general if there were aparthied there'd be a pool of labour that was cheaper -- more competative -- and the discriminating firms would be at a disadvantage.
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posted 26 March 2007 04:58 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So you are saying I can't hire native labourer for five bucks and hour less than and average cost for white labourers?

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posted 26 March 2007 05:14 PM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have no idea what you guys are trying to say.
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posted 26 March 2007 05:17 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bruce_the_vii:
Academics telling us were a racist society are common. It's a formula theme. In general if there were aparthied there'd be a pool of labour that was cheaper -- more competative -- and the discriminating firms would be at a disadvantage.

But on another thread recently, a poster was trying very hard to impress upon us that there was apartheid in Ontario, and specifically during the period 1991 to 1995. So I think it tends to be politically expedient to talk about racist government policies, depending on what political bias you happen to be susceptible to.

In our case, and next to the U.S. in a comparison of developed nations, Canada owns the next largest low skill, lowly-paid and non-unionized workforce. Add to this the fact that Canada owns one of the developed world's worst relative child poverty rates next to only the USA and Mexico.

On the contrary, Bruce, have you been paying attention to the NDP's calls for a minimum wage across Canada that should be more in-line with other developed nations.

As well, what's being suggested in the article above is that immigrants to Canada suffer disproportionately high unemployment and under-employment rates. And recently arrived medical doctors and engineers to Canada with internationally recognized credentials are describing racism in this country's professional associations.

The NDP pointed out before the last election that well educated immigrants suffer unemployment rates as high as four times that of lowly skilled immigrants.

And immigrant women to Canada will suffer a major health setback within the first 15 years of living here. And commentators have pointed to high levels of poverty among ethnic minorities as a one of the causes.

And that a country like Canada is world renowed for it abuse of native people is not a common problem if we compare Canada with Finland. Finland is one other northern latitude nation with an indigenous population. Racist federal policies toward native people and ethnic minorities is a theme common throughout Canadian history.

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posted 26 March 2007 05:51 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:
I have no idea what you guys are trying to say.


Who are "we guys?"


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posted 26 March 2007 06:14 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:
I have no idea what you guys are trying to say.

You guys ?

It's a broad issue. I think if we look at the Declaration of Human Rights this country signed on to some time ago - compare it with racial inequality across Canada and with what exists in other rich nations - I think there's a case to be made against economic apartheid in Canada.

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In the Labour Force (NUPGE)

• The fastest growing forms of work are nonstandard jobs such as contract, temporary,
part-time, piece meal, shift work, or self-employment - there are fewer good jobs;
• There is an over representation of people of
colour in low-income sectors and occupations;
• Proportion of income from government transfers
fell from 19% in 1995 to 11% in 1998; and
• In 1998, racialized immigrants with university
education experienced 10.4% unemployment rate compared to 6.6% for non-racialized immigrants and 4.2% for nonracialized Canadian born – the rate for racialized Canadian born was 6.3%.

The Racialization of Poverty

• Throughout the 1990’s, racialized group members
and new immigrants were twice as likely
as other Canadians to live in poverty;
• The rate for racialized children under six years
of age living in low income families was 45%
- almost twice the overall figure of 26% for
all children living in Canada (1995); and
• In 1998, the annual wages and salaries of
recent immigrants were one-third less than
those of other Canadians.



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posted 27 March 2007 03:28 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I follow employment news closely and I have read that employers are very suspect of immigrants. It seems they have all had bad experiences with them. They don't speak the language that well, have non-standard business practices and if it's technical have third world experience which has nothing to do with modern equipment.

Of course the Canadian thing is immigrants should do well and it's the indigenous who should be doing the working class jobs.


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posted 27 March 2007 04:11 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've worked in high tech with people who were educated in far away places. And I can tell you that their education and skills are coveted by some of the largest tech firms in the Kanata-Ottawa area as well as San Jose-Mountain View, Calfornia tech sector. It's not easy getting into Canada nowadays, and the professionals who are enticed to come to Canada usually have international credentials.
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posted 27 March 2007 04:29 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's nice. I've worked in some of Canada's most prestigious high tech establishments and the talent there is not too deep. Most the project I've seen were bad ideas. That's world class. The third world talent would be better of course, this being Canada.
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I've been working in Telecom for several years now, and I've worked in R&D for one of what were about a dozen affiliates of Newbridge before the Alcatel takeover. They make the most advanced ATM switching equipment in the world with customers in the private banking industry and U.S. military. We had top notch talent from all over the world in our little shop, like Turkey, U.K., India, Russia, Canada etc. Nortel is another Canadian high tech with top notch talent. Walking through anyone of their buildings is an international experience for sure.

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posted 27 March 2007 04:47 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And they should hire indigenous talent as do most other countries in the world. It's not like Turkey and Russia are producing the most advanced technology and specialists in the world.

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posted 27 March 2007 05:01 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bruce_the_vii:
And they should hire indigenous talent as do most other countries in the world.

I remember John Roth quoted in the Ottawa Citizen that there was a shortage of skilled workers in Ontario in about 2000-2001. Nortel was offering to pay tuition and books for Algonquin's three year technology grads. Carleton grads were pretty much guaranteed a job then.

I spent about about a year in the Mountain View area, and what you said above is basically the opinion of the tech workers in that U.S. state, that there were experienced workers being laid off in favour of new IT and electrical eng. graduates from as far away as Madrid, Paris, Delhi and wherever they could find them. Companies like Broadcom and Google and Netscape were pressing the feds down there to allow more H1B work visas for foreign workers for far less compensation than American workers with same-sector experience. I find our companies tend to rob talent when necessary and from wherever they can find it. In Nortel's case, they need a management team that actually knows something about how the telecom industry operates instead of recruiting people from entirely different sectors. Canadian workers are A-1 top notch, imo. Management needed a shakeup years ago.


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posted 27 March 2007 05:23 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The tech boom was another world labour wise. The Washington Post has it's career section in the Sunday edition and every Sunday it issued a seperate computer section circa 1999 -2000. One issue I saw was 22 pages. That's just for Computer Staff. The tech bust reduced this to 1 page. With advertisements at 22 pages a week you have to train and import. I applied to the Washington area to work as a contract software person and got zero response despite the 22 pages.
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I know you must be aware of them, but there are headhunter web sites all over the internet, and most of them are free. I dropped a resume on one of them in 1998-99. I found work without using their site, and I'd forgotten about registering with their resume bank. I checked on the site about a year and half later and discovered there'd been over 50 companies peruse my resume and a small handful had actually tried to contact me at my old address. Companies like Lucent, Ascend, Global Crossing(a laffer). I kicked myself for not updating the resume and refreshing it. It's always great to be able to turn down a job. I was feeling pretty low about a lack of offers at the time. Bruce, they either need workers or they don't is what I've found. These companies operate on quarterly projections, and you have to hit'em up at the right time and right place. Go wide and long, and don't rule out telecom if you haven't tried it. It'll likely be a roller coaster ride for you, but the pay isn't too bad when there is work.
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Oh the software market is down 60,000 from 520,000 or something like that. There are scads of well qualified persons. The universities and colleges are still geared up for mass production of graduates. That's what's happening there. In my case the wife has a government job so I'm still well off.
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Well that's good for you. But I know what you mean. And it seemed everytime I was looking for work, there was a downturn. It's not easy, and I had to take some jobs where I had to commute longer distances than I preferred to and at pay lower than I expected. This is typical conservative mantra, and I know exactly how it sounds. Trust me, someone's always looking for people to fill a seat, even in a downturn. There's talk of another IT shortage. There were something like 10, 000 people lost IT and related jobs in Ottawa area when the last bubble burst. A lot of them will have pursued "other paths" by now. There are always people getting contract jobs for MS, Lottery Corp etc
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A slightly old refrain -

Has anyone noticed that every few years the "scandal" pops up where it is revealed that the Canadian and provincial governments have been stiffing immigrants by luring them here and then only after they get settled in, do they find out that the governments do not extend automatic recognition of foreign credentials earned at recognized institutions, forcing them to recertify at considerable time and expense while holding down some minimum wage job?

Some offiical always promises they'll look into it... and surprise, nothing ever quite seems to get done about this great shafting.

Another thing. When the unemployment rate on an Aboriginal reserve is 70 to 90 percent, there's something damn wrong with the hiring practices of companies in the area.


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The government streamlined immigration to people with university degrees in 2001 or so. I looked it up this week and 46% of adult immgrants now have university degrees. The idea is that these educated people will drive the economy and that professional immigrants will pay more taxes than working class immigrants. The government did not check to see if there was a shortage of people with degrees in Canada and never thought that if there was they could simply train more. The whole thing is a scam and a waste of money. Worry less about the third world and more about yourself, family and friends and you'll already have done the world a favour is my opinion.

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Surprise - I've been seeing letters to the editor that indicates the professional orgs are in on the scam too. They don't automatically extend recognition of credentials which means immigrants who apply don't get hired because their degree ain't considered good enough.
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posted 27 May 2007 04:24 PM      Profile for bruce_the_vii     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Professional organizations. Now that would be some small office somewhere funded by association dues and they are supposed to figure out what to do about the goverments program to import people from every corner of the world. Shifting the blame from the government to some smuck working in one of these offices is disigenious of politicians.
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posted 27 May 2007 04:34 PM      Profile for bohajal   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Some official always promises they'll look into it... and surprise, nothing ever quite seems to get done about this great shafting. Dr Conway

Shafting to me and you, but to officialdom Where is the problem in having pizza deliverers, movers, dishwashers, security guards and cab drivers with higher levels of education ?


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With foreign-trained doctors coming to Canada, apparently the issue is that there aren't enough hospital placements for them to serve practicums before obtaining Canadian licences. And this relates to the nation-wide infrastructure deficit across Canada as well as the shortage of home-grown medical students, federal PSE funding cutbacks etc. Our medical associations are partly to blame for a lack of planning, but I think a large part of it has to do with political impotence in Ottawa dating back to the 1980's and the shifting of money creation to chartered banks.

And there have been accusations of discrimination within Canada's engineering and other professional associations at the same time.


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posted 27 May 2007 06:17 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do foreign-trained doctors (who have practiced medicine) from the UK or Australia have to do practicums before being licensed in Canada?
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quote:
Originally posted by laine lowe:
Do foreign-trained doctors (who have practiced medicine) from the UK or Australia have to do practicums before being licensed in Canada?

I know what you're getting at (do only dark-skinned doctors need practicums?) but I believe the UK/Australia situation is a little different because of our (Canada's & Australia's) relationship to Great Britain.


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quote:
Originally posted by Phrillie:

I know what you're getting at (do only dark-skinned doctors need practicums?) but I believe the UK/Australia situation is a little different because of our (Canada's & Australia's) relationship to Great Britain.


Well in that case, does that mean that all Commonwealth countries are treated the same?


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quote:
Originally posted by laine lowe:
Well in that case, does that mean that all Commonwealth countries are treated the same?

I truly don't know, it was just a guess. Don't know about the Bahamas, etc.


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posted 12 June 2007 11:46 AM      Profile for AfroHealer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Checkout Not Canada.com for info related to this.
"Notcanada.com

Every year 250,000 eager foreigners arrive in cities like Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal. After they do so, their careers, finances and lives are destroyed. Read the famous

"Dr. Khalid Rafiq, is one of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants in Canada forced to survive on the worst labour jobs the country has to offer. A Ph.D. graduate from Pakistan, he now earns minimum wage driving a taxi in Toronto for a living."

The stories of people being actively recruited by canadian officials is shamefull.

I have a freind whas actively recruited to come to canada just a couple of years ago. Promised that he would no problem finding work, virtually guaranteed employment. Then as soon as he got here he was givign the run around, and still cant work in his fieid of study.

He sold his business back home, and also quit a job to come here to this.

It is a racist scamm!! Economic enslavement.

In the past we (peoples of the global south ) were captured and brought here. Now we pay to come here, and the inhumane treatment continues. Despite all the rethoric about human rights.

If the govt and mainstream society were really about human rights, the deplorable treatment of First Nations people of Canada would not exist.

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