Sorry, just getting in spammy mood as per oldgoat's suggestion.

If penis size, I'm not sure how that's a feminist issue. If dress size, well, I doubt you're going to be getting a bunch of feminists saying, "Hell yeah, it matters! Every woman should be a size 5 or less!"

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You read everywhere you hear...

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Huh?

And I reiterate the comments of others - if you're looking for comments from women, that's different than discussing an issue from a feminist persepctive or trying to find out what "the" feminist position is.

Does it matter to me? Well, I have preferences, and generally I am less happy with extremes in either direction. But usually by the time I get an opportunity to find out, its irrelevant to my relationship to the person, and it certainly has less to do with my satisfaction in a physical relationship with a man than other endowments (like sensitivity, responsiveness, adventuresomeness, if that's a word).

I'd say it could matter in extreme cases. I know (not in the biblical sense) a fellow who has a penis not much longer than his glans. He is heterosexual, and doesn't have a girlfriend. He is also from a culture that is traditionally rather "macho" about men's ability to "perform". So I know he is very unhappy as a result, and I find that sad.

For the overwhelming majority of men, it is a false problem, deliberately fed by an industry that has developed out of making them feel insecure - or building on their insecurities. In that sense it could be a "feminist" issue, because it is like a lot of the crap they have got us to feel about our own bodies.

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Originally posted by Anchoress:
Yes, size does matter to me, but I don't consider it my opinion as a feminist, just my opinion as a female.

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Okay then I made a mistake I ment to say Female point of view not feminist.. sorry my bad.

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Originally posted by canadianpatriot:

Okay you said Size does matter to you right?
why?

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I have an interesting philosophy on this subject - I think that a lot of women (certainly in my experience) are motivated by two things:

a) Guilt - and the avoidance of guilt
b) Not feeling like a tramp

The guilt thing manifests itself in a number of ways. One way I find most amusing is that a lot of women always say they want a "nice guy" when they really want a "bad ass" - but it has been explained to me by my female friends that women feel guilty about wanting a "bad ass" because they know they are setting themselves up to be treated like crap. So very often, they will say they want a "nice guy" to deal with the guilt.

The other thing that has been related to my by my female friends is the issue of women not wanting to feel like a tramp - it manifests itself in the penis size department by many women saying that size does not matter to them - but inside, it really does - they just don't care to admit it because perhaps it makes them feel cheap or slutty to want a guy who is well endowed.

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Originally posted by The Divorce Guy:
The other thing that has been related to my by my female friends is the issue of women not wanting to feel like a tramp - it manifests itself in the penis size department by many women saying that size does not matter to them - but inside, it really does - they just don't care to admit it because perhaps it makes them feel cheap or slutty to want a guy who is well endowed.

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Believe me, if penis size mattered to me, I'd say so. The regulars here know me well enough to know that I couldn't care less whether I'm considered a "slut" or not. On these boards, I've championed all the traditionally "slutty" activities - prostitution, stripping, dumping asshole husbands, polygamy, sleeping around, sex before marriage, etc. None of which I would feel guilty for engaging in, although I haven't engaged in all of them (whether through lack of inclination or lack of opportunity).

Yes, size matters.

No matter what women say, they'll be happier with a big one than a little one. (Sorry guys)

Now, alot of women are gonna say "No, It's not how big his equipment is, it's how he uses it."
(This is one of those little white lies we tell so as to not hurt people's feelings.)

[ 14 March 2004: Message edited by: Michelle ]

Like I said above, so long as it works, I don't care how long it is- too much width can cause a bit of pain down below, but that may just be me.

[ 14 March 2004: Message edited by: googlymoogly ]

My female friends have related this information to me because, hmmm, I guess I am ummmm, their friend... go figure.

While we are on the topic of size mattering - let's expand it beyond the size of a pecker and lets talk about how hard it is to find large sized clothing for both men AND women at Walmart - can't find a 2XL sweater at Walmart if it killed me.
[ 14 March 2004: Message edited by: The Divorce Guy ]

[ 14 March 2004: Message edited by: The Divorce Guy ]

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Originally posted by lagatta:
The point? Oh God, not another circumcision thread ...

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Maybe Michelle is having a bad day - if we were in the same city I would take her for a Big Mac or something - maybe a green milkshake and show her that I am just a normal guy who likes to post his thoughts and see what other people are thinking.

So Michelle, if you are ever in Calgary I will take you to Peter's Drive in for a green shake - ok?

Just to save the feelings of some men with small penises. pffft. Well, I don't care about how they feel. If they feel inadequate, tough. It's not my responsibility as a woman to "puff-up" their egos with lies.

I dumped a guy once because his penis was no bigger than my index finger. Was that callous of me? Perhaps, but I knew that I could not enjoy a sexlife with him so there was no point in continuing the relationship.

Hell, at least I'm HONEST!

There must be SOME women out there who prefer the little guys -- maybe you're just one of those, Michelle (and googly)

I DID say that a penis that's too big isn't ideal either....

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Originally posted by The Divorce Guy:
Yes I am hyper sensitive, hyper vigilant, hyper this and hyper that. She made a snide comment I responded to it. She also suggested that I have two accounts on babble because I share an IP address with somone else from Calgary.

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As a result I have orgasms 90% of the time!

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Is this the thread where I can do a testimonial for this new kind of hand lotion I've invented?

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I call it Skdadl's Snake Oil.

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Originally posted by Meowful:
We (women) have been saying this bullcrap about "size not mattering" for years. (So long, in fact, that we've actually started believing it!!)

Just to save the feelings of some men with small penises. pffft. Well, I don't care about how they feel. If they feel inadequate, tough. It's not my responsibility as a woman to "puff-up" their egos with lies.

I dumped a guy once because his penis was no bigger than my index finger. Was that callous of me? Perhaps, but I knew that I could not enjoy a sexlife with him so there was no point in continuing the relationship.

Hell, at least I'm HONEST!

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I'd reiterate the points by Michelle, lagatta, etc. on this being just one persons opinion, and slightly offensive in that it says that if I don't to fall into the pornographic script (and this is a common motif) of begging for a massive cock, I'm either a) a liar, or b) suffering from some type of false consciousness.

If it can be accepted that not all men (and women) think bigger is better for breasts, why can't it be accepted that phallus size variations can be accepted and indeed desired? Why are some people so insistent that all variation in sexuality and desire must be stamped out and elimintated? Including the phallocentricity of sexual encounters that is so prevalent.

I have no shame whatsoever about buying a bottle of dry white Italian table wine to keep in the fridge, with a screwtop. That way I can have a couple of glasses with supper without having to finish a bottle of wine. I love fine wines, but people in France and Italy don't drink grand crû wine every evening either.

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Originally posted by lagatta:
Guess it would become the "screwage" fee, eh?

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It seems like a bunch of women are sitting around and laughing about whiners with small corks...

P.S. Using that logic, josh, it's impossible to tell whether anyone is telling the truth about anything, really. But people do believe others much of the time, so there's no more reason to doubt what women say on this issue than any other one.

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I suspect that there is a Jungian-type consensus in the male subconscious that no matter what women may say, they really do think it matters.

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I suspect that there is a Jungian-type consensus in the male subconscious that no matter what women may say, they really do think it matters.

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And no matter how many times a lover tells me the size of my thighs/shape of my breasts/etc. doesn't bother them, secretly (and sometimes not so secretly) I'm still sure they'd prefer something closer to the ideal as presented by the mainstream media.

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Hang in there, swirllygrrl.