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posted 11 August 2007 06:17 PM      Profile for -=+=-   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
American "Liberalism" is a farce, though probably not as hypocritical as its Canadian variant (American liberals have no problem owning up to their reactionary viewpoints):
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Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, owner of the DailyKos website, now admits that he spent six months in the employ of the US Central Intelligence Agency in 2001,” writes Holland. “In a one-hour interview on June 2, 2006 at the Commonwealth Club, Moulitsas, also known as ‘Kos,’ admitted that he was a CIA employee and would have ‘no problem working for them’ in the present.”


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BetterRed
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posted 11 August 2007 06:28 PM      Profile for BetterRed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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“In a one-hour interview on June 2, 2006 at the Commonwealth Club, Moulitsas, also known as ‘Kos,’ admitted that he was a CIA employee and would have ‘no problem working for them’ in the present.”

Damn it, I thought he was in the anti-imperialist camp.

Yep, so much for those so-called US liberals


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Michelle
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posted 11 August 2007 07:30 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whoa! That's something else!
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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 12 August 2007 02:52 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First off, 'interesting' source.

Secondly, I don't know why anyone's surprised that he's not 'anti-imperialist'. From what I understand he's pretty nationalist, and like the average mainstream US liberal, or US Democrat thinks the Bush Administration, US conservatives, and the Republican Party are so incompetent that they're hurting the national interests of the US.

Relating to that, thirdly, I know he's a former Republican military man so it's not as if he's ever presented himself as particularly left wing or as it relates to this issue or had an aversion to US-ian government institutions that promote US-ian interests. I just think he's so ardently anti-Bush, etc, and such a partisan Democrat, that people overlook the fact that he's moderate in a US sense, somewhat conservative in Canadian eyes. I think the major problem with Kos is that he's simplistic. If anyone were to read his diaries, and compare that to the other major contributors, well lets just say that there isn't much of a comparison. Usually all he does is quote some information, and has a few somewhat predictable replies.

Fourthly, this is a bit off topic, but Howard Dean was brought up in that link. Howard Dean, like Kos, wouldn't put 'very liberal' on his profile, or at least left-wing. It's just like Kos, he's a bluntly anti-Bush partisan Democrat.


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posted 12 August 2007 04:50 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Vansterdam Kid:
First off, 'interesting' source.

Well, yeah, I was thinking that too, actually. I was posting in a hurry last night. Doesn't mean it's wrong, necessarily, but I'd be looking for Markos' side of the story.


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Robo
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posted 12 August 2007 05:12 AM      Profile for Robo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Markos Moulitsas is on Meet the Press, NBC's Sunday morning political interview show, as I type this. He is the "spokesperson" for liberals in the Democratic Party chosen by the program's producers, debating former Congressman and Senate candidate Harold Ford, the program's choice as spokesperson for Demcrat centrists.
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posted 12 August 2007 05:17 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lord. I'd be so miserable if I lived in the US. I think I'd have to give up on electoral politics completely (except for voting, of course) and work completely within social movements instead. It's not like I would be represented by anyone anyhow.
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posted 12 August 2007 05:38 AM      Profile for TemporalHominid   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't understand how Markos Moulitsas Zúniga is a hypocrite. Besides Markos has always been open about his past, his service and his political leanings

He, like many Americans, is a citizen that became disenchanted, and he matured. When presented with new facts and insights into his government and military he changes his mind on the issues. Isn't that what a citizen is supposed to do?
Is there a rule somewhere that states a person has to deny the facts and stick with a position and be loyal to a political perseptive their whole life no matter what evidence is presented?

Thank goodness he was in the military and worked for the CIA I say, it gives him insight and perspective he can share with other citizens. I don't think he should be condemned and demonised, he should be encouraged to share his insight so we can all get a better, factual understanding how things worked.

Thank goodness there are citizens that are engaged, attempting to keep their governments acountable.

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posted 12 August 2007 06:36 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, I agree with that. What I mean is, if he's the guy that the mainstream media choose to showcase the "left" of the political spectrum, and if that's in ANY way accurate, then there wouldn't be much representation for me there.
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HUAC
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posted 12 August 2007 02:08 PM      Profile for HUAC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kos and DU have been rather thoroughly outed as being under the manipulative control of some "people". I spent a little time at Kos a couple of years ago; there was more channelling going on than in the tunnel between England and France. Walk away.
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posted 12 August 2007 02:20 PM      Profile for Boze     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
buhhhhh?
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posted 12 August 2007 02:23 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by HUAC:
Kos and DU have been rather thoroughly outed as being under the manipulative control of some "people". I spent a little time at Kos a couple of years ago; there was more channelling going on than in the tunnel between England and France. Walk away.

Agreed. This doesn't surprise me in the slightest and in fact, he still may be an asset. Disclosure: I was in Army Intelligence (spare the jokes, I've heard them all ) and take it from me, you can leave Intel, you can leave the DIA (up to a point) but you never completely leave the CIA. You carry with you certain legal obligations your entire life. And for him to say he'd have no problem working for them again??? Well.

So much of the left in the US is co-opted. Real leftists never get heard in the usual 'liberal' outlets. And in the mainstream? Well, again, I was there. The miracle is I lasted as long as I did.


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posted 12 August 2007 04:05 PM      Profile for HUAC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The CIA- once in, never out. There are no written contracts in play; it's the way the game is played and everyone is totally familiar with the rules. Works very well.
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posted 12 August 2007 06:25 PM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Américain Égalitaire:
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest and in fact, he still may be an asset. Disclosure: I was in Army Intelligence (spare the jokes, I've heard them all ) and take it from me, you can leave Intel, you can leave the DIA (up to a point) but you never completely leave the CIA. You carry with you certain legal obligations your entire life.

Sounds fairly standard. When I was with an "Establishment" upon my departure, my "de-indoctrination" included a written undertaking not to discuss any work related thing I heard, seen or did during my three years with them, until age 83. Curious, I inquired why 83, but no one knew, it was written in an obscure act or regulation. The best someone would offer is that perhaps people would think that at 83, it could be passed off as senility. You're right though, some strings are never completely severed, there's always an intimate connection where lines are never crossed and things are never spoken about. The laws barring disclosure are restrictive and quite unforgiving.


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