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Vigilante
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posted 05 July 2005 12:31 PM      Profile for Vigilante        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I sorta posted this in another fleeting thread, however I'm interested in the reaction it would get here. Robert Black's classic 1985 essay.

THE ABOLITION OF WORK

No one should ever work.

Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the world. Almost any
evil you'd care to name comes from working or from living in a world
designed for work. In order to stop suffering, we have to stop working.

That doesn't mean we have to stop doing things. It does mean creating a
new way of life based on play; in other words, a *ludic* conviviality,
commensality, and maybe even art. There is more to play than child's
play, as worthy as that is. I call for a collective adventure in
generalized joy and freely interdependent exuberance. Play isn't
passive. Doubtless we all need a lot more time for sheer sloth and
slack than we ever enjoy now, regardless of income or occupation, but
once recovered from employment-induced exhaustion nearly all of us want
to act. Oblomovism and Stakhanovism are two sides of the same debased
coin.

The ludic life is totally incompatible with existing reality. So much
the worse for "reality," the gravity hole that sucks the vitality from
the little in life that still distinguishes it from mere survival.
Curiously -- or maybe not -- all the old ideologies are conservative
because they believe in work. Some of them, like Marxism and most
brands of anarchism, believe in work all the more fiercely because they
believe in so little else.

http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/black/sp000156.txt


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Albireo
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posted 05 July 2005 01:01 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hear Mr Magoo's footsteps coming in this direction...
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Fidel
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posted 05 July 2005 01:17 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bobby Black sounds like a right-wing libertarian on crack. He could label his plan, "Just Chill"
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 05 July 2005 01:55 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I hear Mr Magoo's footsteps coming in this direction...

I came by and left. Anyone who could possibly believe that Oblomovism and Stakhanovism are two sides of the same debased coin doesn't warrant so much as the time of day from me, sir!


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posted 05 July 2005 02:10 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha ha. This stuff is like Kierkegaard after he's had a few doobies. Since the Port Townsend [Washington] author of this piece has quoted Bakunin and Kropotkin so shall I. In this case, my urge to destroy some worthless rubbish is a creative one. Have another hoot, V!

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posted 05 July 2005 02:12 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Essentially, such philosophies are a denial of society and civilization. As such, Mr. Black should avoid the use of all language - let alone an alphabet - for the sake of consistency.
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Vigilante
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posted 05 July 2005 02:16 PM      Profile for Vigilante        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With reasoning like that from Coyote I should also add that anti-capitalists should cease to be because they have to take hold of the capitalist aparatus on some level(ie spend money).
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posted 05 July 2005 02:19 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Coyote: Essentially, such philosophies are a denial of society and civilization. As such, Mr. Black should avoid the use of all language - let alone an alphabet - for the sake of consistency.

You forgot to mention, Coyote, that he should then disappear up his own asshole.

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posted 05 July 2005 02:29 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Vigilante:
With reasoning like that from Coyote I should also add that anti-capitalists should cease to be because they have to take hold of the capitalist aparatus on some level(ie spend money).
Capitalism and Socialism are both theories as to how society and civilization should be constructed. As such, they presuppose an engagement with society as it is, in order to change it.

But really, Vigilante, I was being flip. I didn't add a smiley. I find the article and the philosophy underlying it to be negligible and so I neglect it; I don't really think the person in question should not voice his views.


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Vigilante
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posted 05 July 2005 03:57 PM      Profile for Vigilante        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Coyote:
Capitalism and Socialism are both theories as to how society and civilization should be constructed. As such, they presuppose an engagement with society as it is, in order to change it.

Well if you think about it socialism is just a form of capital to begin with. It was the liberals(the original classical left) that really created nessasary concepts for capitalism to move forward anyway. Invevitably you had had the workers who created another version of the left(same concepts different arangement). Also civilization is to inherently a hegemonic phenomena to be reformed.


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posted 05 July 2005 04:03 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But that's just it. Civilization is in constant flux, as new ideas (or old ideas, even) enter the public discourse and form and shape a social consensus. The denial of that, the desire to destroy that, is a denial of what it means to be human.

There is nobility in work, in labour, in thought and discussion. They are all, in their way, reinforcements of our inter-connectedness.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 05 July 2005 04:08 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For what it's worth, and while I'd love a world of pure leisure, I think it's hard not to notice that almost every animal has something it has to do in order to promote its own survival. Some hunt, some graze, some migrate. Some build little nets to trap bugs. Some lumber through the oceans and collect plankton. All have something they have to do, whether they really derive joy from doing it or not. The exceptions to this are the parasites.

Perhaps someday, as promised by the Jetsons, machines will do all the drudge work. Meanwhile, however, I'm not sure on what grounds I can announce my intentions to never lift a finger in my own interest ever again.


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posted 05 July 2005 05:36 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Anthro 101, I remember being amazed and impressed to learn that hunter-gatherers typically spend less than 2 hours a day lifting fingers in their own interest - hunting and gathering etc. - and the rest of day essentially playing. However, there is the break a leg and die of gangrene downside to consider.
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Vigilante
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posted 06 July 2005 01:58 PM      Profile for Vigilante        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Coyote:
But that's just it. Civilization is in constant flux, as new ideas (or old ideas, even) enter the public discourse and form and shape a social consensus. The denial of that, the desire to destroy that, is a denial of what it means to be human.

It is in flux and as that flux goes on it is becoming more and more destructive with each passing age. And it is the case simply for the reason that it is based on war power and domination. This is an antagonism that is irriversable at the end of the day. As for denying humantity, good. Human is a construct to begin with. It was originally made for and by the masters. Using Hegelian terms one was human, then some, then all. This does not change the deep illigtimacy of this very construct. I refuse being and rather seek to constantly become. I do this through my own radical subjectivity.

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There is nobility in work, in labour, in thought and discussion. They are all, in their way, reinforcements of our inter-connectedness.

Nobility huh, tell that to the Chinese miner who's about to die of cancer. Work within a natural self-sufficiant or autonomous mindset of anykind is one thing, doing it in the name of a totalising system is another. And this idea of interconnectedness is another myth for the simple fact that we have all been forced together by hegemonic means. The reinforcement is anything but consenting or egalitarian.

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Mr Magoo:
For what it's worth, and while I'd love a world of pure leisure, I think it's hard not to notice that almost every animal has something it has to do in order to promote its own survival. Some hunt, some graze, some migrate. Some build little nets to trap bugs. Some lumber through the oceans and collect plankton. All have something they have to do, whether they really derive joy from doing it or not. The exceptions to this are the parasites.

Well if I'm gonna have a boss let it be nature and biology. That's at least non-alienating. When your surviving on your own terms their a fullfuling feeling that comes of that.

As for robotics, movies like the terminator get made for a reason you know.

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ronb:
However, there is the break a leg and die of gangrene downside to consider.

I think for this we can take the residual that civilization leaves behind and work these issues out. There are holistic even primitive communal and individual ways that could deal with the gangrene problem.


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posted 06 July 2005 02:08 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Well if I'm gonna have a boss let it be nature and biology.

That's who it is, unless you've chosen to work for someone else. Many people choose not to, and you can be one of them.

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As for robotics, movies like the terminator get made for a reason you know.

Yes, to earn a profit. And what better way than with an "evil machines enslave mankind" story? You'll never go broke flogging those.

Funny thing. Teams of very skilled, very dedicated scientists have been trying for decades to create artificial intelligence in a computer. On a very good day they get a computer that's capable of learning a few basic shapes or navigating an unknown room.

And yet in the world of science fiction, all you have to do is hook a few databases together and voila! Instant sentience! Instant evil sentience! About half the time, evil sentience with an accent! Easy peasy!


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posted 09 July 2005 04:22 AM      Profile for ReeferMadness     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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take only one Roman example, Cicero said that whoever gives his labor for money sells himself and puts himself in the rank of slaves." His candor is now rare, but contemporary primitive societies which we are wont to look down upon have provided spokesmen who have enlightened Western anthropologists.

Gwynne Dyer made a similar point, saying that it is only in modern times that wage labour is considered significantly different than chatel slavery.

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Only a small and diminishing fraction of work serves any useful purpose independent of the defense and reproduction of the work-system and its political and legal appendages.

Exactly. In the late 1980's and early to mid 90's, a practise called business process re-engineering was all the rage. Essentially, it consisted of taking a set of business processes (say procurement) and identifying the bare essentials in terms of activities that needed to be done to achieve the goal.

If we applied the same thinking to capitalism it would disappear and something radically different would take its place.

quote:
Forty percent of the workforce are white-collar workers, most of whom have some of the most tedious and idiotic jobs ever concocted. Entire industries, insurance and banking and real estate for instance, consist of nothing but useless paper-shuffling. It is no accident that the "tertiary sector," the service sector, is growing while the "secondary sector" (industry) stagnates and the "primary sector" (agriculture)
nearly disappears.

I wouldn't put it in exactly those terms but I certainly agree with the sentiment!


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posted 09 July 2005 04:29 AM      Profile for Left Turn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the world. Almost any
evil you'd care to name comes from working or from living in a world
designed for work. In order to stop suffering, we have to stop working.

Robert Black could not be further from the truth. Capitalism and Capitalist exploitation of workers are the sources of nearly all the misery in the world, not work itself. By refusing to acknowldge capitalism as the source of the evils in the world, Black is able to posit the absurd notion that we can transform society simply by removing the word 'work' from our discourse. This is both a negation of the indispensible contribution that workers make to our society, and a negation of the class struggle need to truly transform society and give workers control over their own labour.

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posted 09 July 2005 01:56 PM      Profile for ReeferMadness     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I wouldn't defend his choice of wording but I think the principle is sound. Working for the socialist master can seem awfully similar to working for the capitalist master. It isn't just about exploitation. It's about choice and freedom of activity.
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posted 09 July 2005 02:19 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The experiment in pure laissez-faire capitalism lasted about 30 years before the western world said "no."
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Vigilante
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posted 09 July 2005 05:53 PM      Profile for Vigilante        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wha di bloodclot does laissez-faire capitalism hafi do wi dis?
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posted 09 July 2005 06:13 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Didin cha know, jah? Every tin hav ta do wit dem laissez-faire capitalism.
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Mick
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Perhaps someday, as promised by the Jetsons, machines will do all the drudge work.

Not if it remains cheaper to hire human labour.


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posted 12 July 2005 05:08 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From The Onion in History — "The Machine: Will It Replace the Chinaman?"
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