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THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians’ military capability in three days, according to a national security expert

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Originally posted by ChicagoLoopDweller:
If World War III began every time the Pentagon drew up plans to bomb someone, we would be on World War 2,756 by now.

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Chickenhawks want to be able to wage individual wars of conquest with U.S. taxpayers footing the bills, and no more than one or two at a time and focused on either a resource grab or on strategic positioning of yet another military base for the purpose of future resource grabs, containment of Asian countries etc. The cold war is supposed to be over, and yet there are more than 700 U.S. military bases around the world and is now the only military superpower with its nuclear weapons on foreign soil.

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“Between 1945 and 2005 the United States has attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements struggling against intolerable regimes... In the process, the U.S. caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair.” William Blum, "Rogue State"

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Originally posted by ChicagoLoopDweller:
And don't forget the US also has the largest Gulag prison system in the world too!

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There is more information available at Iran Affairs. Look at "Blast From the Past" in regard to US and European involvement in Iran's nuclear program. Also see the "Dear Kitty" blog.

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Originally posted by Michelle:
I guess Iran was right all along if they were trying to develop nuclear weapons, weren't they? Obviously they need them in this time of aggressive action by current nuclear nations.

Iran would be stupid NOT to develop nuclear weapons.

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More to the point, Iran has never contravened the Non-proliferation treaty, in which member states are allowed to develop nuclear power and the full nuclear fuel cycle, but not weapons. A great many countries have done this, including Canada.

The only thing that differentiates Iran from other signatories is that the US doesn't like them. And it has a nuclear power on its border (Pakistan) which is constantly at risk of being taken over by an extremist coup (being a one bullet government, as it were).

Interestingly enough, Iran only restarted its research when Pakistan did their tests. But of course the US thinks everything everyone does is about them, as does Israel. And of course Cheney still harbours the fantasy that the US is unbeatable and they could actually win a war against Iran.

They could flatten Iran, but they could never win a war against it - unless winning is equal to flattening with no other effect.

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Originally posted by Michelle:
I guess Iran was right all along if they were trying to develop nuclear weapons, weren't they? Obviously they need them in this time of aggressive action by current nuclear nations.

Iran would be stupid NOT to develop nuclear weapons.

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Originally posted by Solidarity4Ever:
It begins...

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I don't think the US will fair very well in this.

I don't expect this one to be one of those "armchair" cake walks providing north america with there twisted form of entertainment..

Nope in this one ..when the US shows aggression the first thing will be the decimation of the entire US fleet out there including the aircraft carriers that conduct these arm chair sortees. If Canada sticks it's nose in it will chopped off also. So be prepared to hear all the "we are hero's bullshit".

While the west speculates on whether Iran is nuke capable one thing is for sure ..they have multi warhead torpedos that can travel undetected and deliver hiroshima like blows to ships including aircraft carriers. That's for sure..

I think anybody in that part of the world has probably learnt by now you don't pussyfoot around when it comes to attacks by the merciless US war machine. You go for the juggler or you perish.

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It's also worth remembering that when Iran was ruled by the Shah, a US puppet installed in 1953, he was the poster boy for nuclear energy to a skeptical public in the US. Have a look:

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Yes-yes. Good one. Is Warshington's policy for Iran a case of technological imperialism?. The British and U.S.-backed Shah was as corrupt as the year is long.

There is some analysis suggesting that the NATO occupation of Afghanistan functions as a means to protect any US-sponsored oil and gas lines in that country but more importantly that keeps the Russians and the Chinese and, above all, the Iranians out of the loop in regard to east-west oil and gas lines.

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So yes, it IS more likely that the US would attack Iran. But Iran would have various responses.

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The BBC reported: “Unnamed US officials have recently been quoted as saying that China has been selling arms to Iran which Iran is then passing on to insurgent groups in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

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Britain complains to Chinese about Afghan Arms Sales

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I don't think the US will fair very well in this.

I don't expect this one to be one of those "armchair" cake walks providing north america with there twisted form of entertainment..

Nope in this one ..when the US shows aggression the first thing will be the decimation of the entire US fleet out there including the aircraft carriers that conduct these arm chair sortees. If Canada sticks it's nose in it will chopped off also. So be prepared to hear all the "we are hero's bullshit".

While the west speculates on whether Iran is nuke capable one thing is for sure ..they have multi warhead torpedos that can travel undetected and deliver hiroshima like blows to ships including aircraft carriers. That's for sure..

I think anybody in that part of the world has probably learnt by now you don't pussyfoot around when it comes to attacks by the merciless US war machine. You go for the juggler or you perish.

That poster that appears in this thread is priceless

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I was pointing out that IF the US attacked Iran, then Iran would consequently expand its influence in Afghanistan, thereby threatening Canadian troops.

So yes, it IS more likely that the US would attack Iran. But Iran would have various responses.

Britain complains to Chinese about Afghan Arms Sales

Obviously, this is just a claim at this point, but we would be foolish to close our eyes to a potential threat to Canadian troops.

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So Jeff only the US, Britain and France should sell arms into conflict zones? The Chinese are different in respect to being arms dealers how?

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Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
Anyone interested in the safety of Canadian troops should be advocating bringing them home NOW.

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There's a Canadian staging base only 90 miles from Iran. Did you know that?

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Personally I think we should shut down all the arms dealers but when I ask they just point a gun to my head and tell me to piss off.

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Duh do you mean Khandahar. Yes I know our troops are there thank you for the timely update.

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No, I mean the Canadian staging base, across the Persian Gulf, near Dubai UAE. Kandahar is 235 miles from Iran, according to Google Earth.

And how about if American soldiers and state troopers were given carte blanche to cross into Canada and arrest Canadians and whomever ? Maybe someone you know will spend years and years in a gulag at Guantanamo Bay that's so secret it has no name.

And was all this foretold in the U2 song "Where the streets have no name"?

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Originally posted by Liang Jiajie:

The Iranian military is capable of resisting an American invasion much better than Iraq, but I think the resistance would be short-lived and would have to be done by guerilla soldiers through an insurgency. Anyway, the report speaks of an air assault only, and the Iranians would not be capable of resisting it.

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I'm not so sure..5 years ago I would of thought that also, but after finding out how they are developing there own technology's that the US doesn't possess and how they have modified missles for war head use..and all the bragging they have done...you have to wonder what surprises they may have up their sleeves that they aren't bragging about.

They may even be pondering about doing the same thing the US has done in the last decades....create wars to test market advanced weapons. A very lucrative market and one they can lead if they bring the US or Israel to their knees.

These people(Iranians) invented chess and they have now been playing and developing advanced technology. I'm sure the US is itching to obtain it..so I expect them(US) to throw the first punch..they can't stand it. It's driving them crazy!

There doing everything they can to start a war..accusing the whole military of being terrorist..declaring them terrorists..making plans to blow them up in 3 days..etc. etc. etc.

It's beyond ridiculous and obvious already!

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Originally posted by ChicagoLoopDweller:
Maybe the Americans couldn't name the gulag because it was so secret even they don't know it's there!

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Actually there are thousands of soldiers stationed closer to Vancouver than Edmonton but it is a military secret.

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Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
Wow out by a hundred miles my deepest apologies.

I live in Vancouver where the nearest staging ground for Canadian troops is Edmonton. So what exactly is your point?

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Maybe an electric fence or wall isn't such a bad thing after all...

So how do we deal with biologically contaminated mobs of yankees running to Canada? How will the world deal with the bio-hazard?

I think Canada better start thinking of these things and a good first step would be to get rid of the neo-conservatives and liberals ASAP. Or suffer the consequences!

I figure I better do some editing here, because neo cons and libs have a way of twisting and bending the TRUTH to fit their treacherous ways:

When I say "get rid of" I don't mean the kind of cold hearted cowardly tactics THEY would use ..I mean democratically. Something they have long since thrown away.

[ 05 September 2007: Message edited by: Buddy Kat ]