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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 06 April 2005 06:01 PM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From The Guardian (UK):
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A man lay dead in his council flat for almost six years before being discovered, an inquest heard yesterday.

The fully clothed skeletal remains of Kenneth Mann, 63, were found last June on his bed in Walsall, West Midlands. He had last been seen in 1998 after being admitted to hospital.

Richard Balmain, the coroner, said the former soldier seemed to have fallen through the net: "Society needs to ask how such a situation could arise in the 21st century."

A succession of official agencies had gone to the door of the first-floor flat as Mann lay already dead. The inquest heard that a police officer had called, and so had bailiffs for the water company after bills went unpaid. Likewise there were attempted visits by his doctor, the Benefits Agency, and housing officials chasing unpaid rent.

His brother had tried to visit. His neighbour across the hallway had not noticed anything wrong, the inquest heard.

Housing officials from Walsall council served an eviction notice, but when he failed to reply they assumed he had moved.

The Guardian has learned that the council had declared the home empty in May 1999.

Mann was to remain undiscovered for a further five years.


[ 07 April 2005: Message edited by: Tape_342 ]


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Nanuq
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posted 07 April 2005 12:46 AM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That town must one hell of a vacancy rate for a house to be empty that long.
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posted 07 April 2005 01:03 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know, if I could go over five years without paying rent without being evicted, I'm not sure I'd even mind being dead.

I think my sister wouldn't give up quite as easily as that guy's brother though.


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Anchoress
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posted 07 April 2005 01:24 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
His brother said:

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"Somebody let him down, somebody should have checked or kicked the door down."

Yeah, YOU.

IMO it's more an indictment of the shoddy UK Council bureaucracy than it is a failing of humanity. The guy was dead. What difference does it make whether his body was found six hours or six years later? Except of course for the people who could have been living in his Council flat.


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skdadl
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posted 07 April 2005 04:01 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With his low blood pressure and maybe a few drinks in him, I hope that he just went to sleep quietly and never woke up again. I wonder a bit that the hospital people couldn't tell how close to death he was, though.

It is sad that he was so alone in life in his last years, but I agree with Anchoress: once he had died, sadness moved on.


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Rebecca West
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posted 07 April 2005 05:23 AM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not to criticize the thread title or anything, but is 63 really "elderly"? When I think of the term "elderly", I think of someone who is, perhaps, in their late 70s or 80s.
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Timebandit
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posted 07 April 2005 05:27 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mum turns 63 next week. She'd brain me if I called her "elderly". I think of either my MIL or Nana as elderly, but they're both octegenarians.
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skdadl
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posted 07 April 2005 05:32 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, watch with the "elderly." I turn 60 in October. You have been warned.
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lagatta
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posted 07 April 2005 05:35 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm old enough to be peeved to hear someone of 63 referred to as "elderly" - know a lot of hard-working, vigorous and sexy people of that vintage - but I believe the meaning of "elderly" has shifted somewhat - it used to mean more "getting on", late-middle-age, almost old and in recent decades has become a polite euphemism for old, with the doddering connotations of the latter term. I think that shift might be slightly less accentuated in the UK.

Working in a local community association, often with very poor and isolated people, I've often met people no older than I am who look and act "elderly". This gentleman who seemed isolated and at least semi-alcoholic would appear to fall into that category. There are many other isolated people whose pain is dulled instead with prescription medication. These seem to be cases of people who have given up on life - in my community association I've seen several older workers who were laid off from long-term jobs in trades and had no hope of finding another job - many of them give up in similar ways.

I wouldn't be too hard on the brother - there are lots of reasons families fall out and often it is the isolated person, ashamed of being a loser, who breaks off contact.

Odd, though, that the council didn't seem to need the flat!


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posted 07 April 2005 06:06 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A similar thing happened in Winnipeg last year (sorry about the source, it was the first thing that came up on Google):
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Dead Man Keeps Paying Bills
Sunday, October 10, 2004

Electronic banking can have its down side.

A Winnipeg, Manitoba, man died nearly two years ago, but thanks to automatic bill payments, no one noticed.



Apparently his pension cheques were automatically deposited, and his utility and condo fee payments automatically withdrawn.

I wonder if the CPP is going to go after his relatives for the two years worth of payments that he wasn't entitled to?


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skdadl
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posted 07 April 2005 06:12 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, that becomes a real problem for lots of older folks, or, after they die, for anyone working on their estates -- tracking down all those automatic deposits and withdrawals. The big ones may be obvious, but many older people lose track of what they've signed up for, and it's work for others to sort it out. Automatic withdrawals in particular can be unfair to seniors who don't have accounting help.

Malcolm Lowry made up a tribute once, "for those who have nobody with." I often think of that expression when I hear these stories.


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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 07 April 2005 08:48 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rebecca West:
Not to criticize the thread title or anything, but is 63 really "elderly"? When I think of the term "elderly", I think of someone who is, perhaps, in their late 70s or 80s.


I changed the thread title. I guess I didn't read the story closely enough... in my head I just pictured a sad, old man.


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John Charriere
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posted 24 April 2005 07:41 PM      Profile for John Charriere   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who'd want to live in that area? The neighbours must be the most anti-social around. None of them queried his whereabouts for six bloody years.
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Michelle
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posted 24 April 2005 08:05 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know my next-door neighbour. If I didn't see them again, I'd probably just assume they'd moved out and the apartment was vacant.
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Hinterland
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posted 24 April 2005 08:18 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have an extraordinary sense of smell. I'd have smelled a rotting corpse a block away, not to mention one in the apartment beside me.
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posted 24 April 2005 09:12 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tape_342:
in my head I just pictured a sad, old man.

How long have you been having these hallucinations of Paul Martin?


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scooter
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posted 27 April 2005 05:00 PM      Profile for scooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I don't know my next-door neighbour. If I didn't see them again, I'd probably just assume they'd moved out and the apartment was vacant.

That's kinda sad.

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chester the prairie shark
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posted 27 April 2005 05:23 PM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
same thing happened in a german city recently, sorry i don't have a source but it was reported in the media. the guy was single, retired (young tho in his 50') and had automatic debits and credits set up for all his financials. i believe the lights on his christmas tree were still blinking, he had been dead several years.
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