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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 22 September 2006 08:33 AM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aww - Michelle closed this just before I was able to comment - but I have a feeling that babblers weren't quite done.

The previous posts I think pretty much summed it up - Stewart doesn't want to land up like Bill Maher. True.

But re: Maher. Although he's 'back' in a sense he gets invites now, I was distressed to hear him a few weeks ago on Larry King spouting such uber Zionist crap you had to hear it to believe it, i.e. 'so sorry Lebanon that your cities had to be razed and so many killed, but that's what happens when you let the nuts run loose in your country.'

I'm paraphrasing but that was his essential thrust - make peace with Israel or be annihilated. It was very jarring to see this 'funny man' with literally blood dripping fangs.

EVERY American humorist or TV show host knows by now or should that they operate under certain parameters beyond which they cannot stray. It turns a lot of them into cowards, yes, but at least to quote Phil Donahue, they aren't "dead heroes."

I guess the lure of being in the public eye and making all that cash overrides concerns over teling it like it is which is why I can't work in radio or the media in the US anymore.

Yesterday as I recount in my blog (http://frontrowseat.motime.com/) there was a genuine hate-on against Chavez in the US media - CNN and MSNBC - you had to see it and hear it to beleive it. i didn't watch Fox since I was already going hoarse and didn't want to risk a stroke.

At one point I had made dinner for my son and invited him to watch Lou Dobbs saying "you've got to hear the propaganda being fed to people as news."

At one point UN Ambassador John Bolton was introduced as one of the sane and level headed voices in the UN by Dobbs. Luckily my dinner didn't hit the wall at that point but I needed a break from it all.

The ghosts of Goebbels are alive and well and writing news copy for the major US news networks. The crazy thing is that most Americans either applaud it ('finally the liberal media is dead') or the changes have gone right over their head.

Only Keith Olbermann seems to stand apart, but its also doubtful you're going to get an honest assessment of the history of American foreign policy in Latin America even from him.

Everyone is running scared. Can you IMAGINE a Walter Cronkite getting on the CBS Evening News today and saying the war in Iraq is unwinnable??

Anyway, I've strayed a bit from the topic but even using humour as a vehicle, one has to be careful and know the rules in the US.

I have to say though, that the most jarring comedy routine I ever heard on TV was from RICK MERCER who told a Canadian audience that they had to toe the line with the Americans because 'they can give us an old school whipping.'

It was on some kind of comedy award or tribute show I saw when I was in BC. It was very discouraging to see Mercer telling Canadians - hey, don't piss off the US too much or they'll thump us.

So the street can run your way as well, unfortunately.

[ 22 September 2006: Message edited by: Américain Égalitaire ]


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I've pretty much given up on Jon Stewart. He is just another typical Democrat.

It's rather discouraging. He can be just as xenophobic and Amero-supremecist as Limbaugh if he wants to be. Note how the show patronizes and belittles pretty much any other country on Earth. If it isn't American, it's quaint, comical, ridiculous, inferior, or just stupid.

The show's coverage of the UN is a prime example. Not only did they give GW a pass on his most insulting and fascist behaviour, they dutifully fall into the "Iran is an evil empire run by a lunatic who wants nukes" line peddled by the worst of the far right. Chavez's speech was ignored save for a insulting remark about his sanity (just like Fox). If it comes to a choice between the rest of humanity on one hand and a lunatic genocidal tyrant American President on the other, the Loyal Democrat opposition will always buy American.

They even had Clinton on the show. I'm sure they really took him to task over his Iraq war.


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posted 22 September 2006 06:29 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jingles wrote:

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It's rather discouraging. He can be just as xenophobic and Amero-supremecist as Limbaugh if he wants to be. Note how the show patronizes and belittles pretty much any other country on Earth. If it isn't American, it's quaint, comical, ridiculous, inferior, or just stupid.

THANK YOU! Succinct and well-put this has really irritated me about his show as well. With Colbert, you figure its lampooning the way the right views the non-American world. With Stewart its pandering to the yahoos.


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posted 22 September 2006 08:48 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nobody's perfect.
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posted 22 September 2006 08:54 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a sign of the times that people are criticizing a comedian for not reporting the news properly.
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posted 23 September 2006 05:33 AM      Profile for clandestiny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
jon stewart is jewish, and that does impact his approach to news and humour, sort of like dennis miller and ben stein etc.....israel and fears for israel (to all intents/purposes, israel is 100 percent dependent upon US support, and if that means pandering to the whitewing racist boors, well goldwyn and warner and even spielberg etc have been doing exactly that for generations!)
remember, patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels, and phony patriotism is easy to play at....see dubia bush

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quote:
Originally posted by clandestiny:
jon stewart is jewish, and that does impact his approach to news and humour, sort of like dennis miller and ben stein etc.....israel and fears for israel (to all intents/purposes, israel is 100 percent dependent upon US support, and if that means pandering to the whitewing racist boors

I don't know about his Jewishnesss impacting his approach to the "comic news", as the other night
I was watching him and at first, in the beginning of his skit, I would've thought that too. As he started out mocking those currently protesting against the Pope, but he went on to mock/bash all religions equally, including the Jewish one, his own so to speak.

Perhaps some want to silence even this little voice of moderate integrity?

[ 23 September 2006: Message edited by: remind ]


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clandestiny, I really don't like the way you phrased that post. You're generalizing and drawing conclusions about the motive for Stewart's behaviour based on the fact that he's Jewish and that's really not appropriate. All Jews do not think the same or react the same to world events or even events in Israel.
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posted 23 September 2006 05:14 PM      Profile for clandestiny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it seems dichotomous that a liberal, like jon stewart, who's so astute in framing criticism of the bush types, and how the bush types affect everything else in politics, yet when it comes to iran, or chavez, or castro etc, jon stewart acts...well he acts dense, like it's too much bother to understand the logic of vast swaths of humanity, so a bugs bunny-ish approach will have to do, hahaha....i too realize bringing stewart's jewishness into it strays onto very chary grounds, but didn't know how to phrase it...and probably shouldn't have made the effort. racism is truly poisonous; but it does grow in the dark...which still doesn't justify using it, i admit....
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quote:
Originally posted by clandestiny:
i too realize bringing stewart's jewishness into it strays onto very chary grounds, but didn't know how to phrase it.

Perhaps I can make a helpful suggestion? Keep your mouth shut about celebrities' alleged religious affiliation, and you'll sleep better at night.

Sorry for the harsh words, but just think what I might have said...


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Never did like Jon Stewart's comedy. I find him to be neither hip, nor irreverant. Of course he plays to all sides of the spectrum, with something in his routine for everyone, even if one doesn't agree with his target of convienience for the moment. Essentially he's a product of a mainstream network. They allow him to sound like a breath of fresh air what with the occasional bleeping out of obscenities and his odd facial contortions. His tongue-in-cheek demeanor when talking about other countries populations panders exactly to the mindset of his viewers. He gives them what they want and expect to hear, while making his handlers happy with ratings and sponsors.
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posted 25 September 2006 11:42 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Slumberjack:
Of course he plays to all sides of the spectrum, with something in his routine for everyone...


Oh for the days when people used to appreciate balance!


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posted 26 September 2006 09:16 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Say what we will about Stewart, his guest list continues to astound.

quote:
Kevin Bleyer

09.26.2006
Pervez Has Left the Building

I'm not kidding. Just a few minutes ago. I saw him leave.

Before he departed, however, Pervez Musharraf, President of Pakistan, knower of Osama's whereabouts, launcher of coups, target of six assassination attempts, appeared as a guest on "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart."

And now here it is: your moment of "whaaa?!"


Hasn't aired in my part of the world yet but I will definitely tune in.


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Stewart is pretty funny when attacking Bush gaffes and absurdities but if a Democrat comes to power I think his show will lose its appeal. He also isn't that much of an interviewer. The best thing on Stewart's show is Lewis Black's segment. Black is a self-described socialist and dislikes both parties.

The Colbert Report which follows will also survive since it mocks the Fox News format. Fox News won't disappear when Democrats control the White House and Congress.


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[T]he court jesters of our dark times translate into far more than chit-chat.

First, the quality political satire of comedians and parodists such as Stewart and Colbert give airtime - and often longer segments of airtime - to topics largely unmentioned by any other media. On February 12, for example, Colbert devoted The Word to a story buried or unreported by almost all other news: the latest Defense Department report that evidences Defense Undersecretary Douglas Feith's "pre-war report fabricating a link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda Putting AlQaeda in Iraq may have taken some imagination back then, but thanks to inappropriateness [Feith] made it a reality." Colbert provided three-plus minutes of time to a crucial story of precisely how and who manipulated intelligence. Trust me: go google this report, and you find the briefest of coverage, beginning with a confusing and mealy-mouthed AP version, with most stories headlining Feith's self-defense rather than the critical report.

Second, because of the fair-use shield of parody, these court jesters can report on politician's lies and corruption, as well as launch major critiques of media and press failures to hold politician's accountable.

Third, as my research shows, significant counterpublics have formed through web-based communities around such political material as TDS which do translate into action.


Megan Boler, University of Toronto

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I think Stewart performs a wonderful function. he's not as radical as I might like, but by being gentle he sometimes gets neocon guests who he gently but devastatingly skewers. The number he did on the global warming is a myth guy a couple of weeks back was terrific. He managed to destroy the gentleman's logic, make the gentleman look like an angry ignoramus, and come off reasonable and funny all at the same time. Like a Beatles song, if it's so easy, then give it a whirl.

I think we can't underestimate the impact he has had by his technique of playing the latest neocon buzzphrase in quick succession 30 times in a row. "Slow bleed" is one of the latest. Now if you watch CNN they ape that every week. Except for Olbermann who else makes fun of Bush and co on a regular basis on national US TV?


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quote:
Originally posted by Jingles:
I've pretty much given up on Jon Stewart. He is just another typical Democrat.
Tonight he told Bill Kristol he would have voted for John McCain in 2000 if he had won the Republican nomination.

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Exactly a typical democrat. I think the problem in the states is the BS they are fed growing up, like the NEP in Alberta or that all of Atlantic canada are nothing but welfare recipients(or so I am told). It is to keep the masses from using critical thought. Example, If I have people that are homeless or unemployed, or even on our shitty welfare system it is because the system we have wouldn't even allow these people a decent job, a failure of capitalism.
Not that they are lazy. Most people want to work(maybe not a lot) but don't want to earn 200 a week working very hard. While the managers and worse the executives get a big fat million dollar paycheck, benefits (something a lot of these jobs don't have)stock options, business meeting in exotic locations, and the 'prestige' that the job gives them for self confidence. "I am better than you because I don't have to make decisions and make more money"

With all these things is it any wonder people don't want to work at macdonalds. To make matters even worse, many jobs only offer part time hours.This means having to get at least 2 jobs to make a regular 40 hour pay check.

While having 2 jobs doesn't sound two bad if you only work 40 hours it really means working a lot more. Consider transit time to the job, if you have jobs in different directions from your home, you would spend literally hours in traffic, even worse if you live rural or take a lot of public transit with transfers. Add to this the lack of pension and or benefits and one can easily see why someone would actually prefer 537 a month(thats right a month!!) to live on welfare. My aunt is on disability and my cousins deride her, I try to point out the problems of her getting a job(for one being disabled) and they think I am the one that is wrong. We have almost 11% unemployment, how does one go find a job when the people who haven't left(estimated at several thousand) still can't find meaningful employment.


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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
Tonight he told Bill Kristol he would have voted for John McCain in 2000 if he had won the Republican nomination.

The interesting thing about that interview is Kristol admitted that Obama is neither a socialist nor a radical but as President would simply be a "typical liberal Democrat". Stewart picked up on this saying that he's admitting that the GOP are just accusing Obama of being a socialist and a radical in order to scare people and Kristol basically just shrugged.

Earlier this week, Colbert rebutted the accusations that Obama is a socialist by having the Socialist Party's presidential candidate explain how that isn't so (Obama is a capitalist and doesn't want the workers to own the means of production).


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What I find bizarre is that progressives are looking to TV humorists for statements truly critical of politicians and the State. Compare the time we spend reading the likes of Chomsky, Zinn or Albert to the time expended on Stewart and Colbert. Has entertainment preempted political analysis?

[ 31 October 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]


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martin dufresne: Has entertainment preempted political analysis?

Political entertainment, politics as entertainment, is just one more product marketed to flat-brained consumers. The market is a God that will have no other Gods beside it.


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quote:
Originally posted by martin dufresne:
Has entertainment preempted political analysis?

Yes. "The better to eat you with, my dear."


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Has entertainment preempted political analysis?

Entertainment is possibly the only good use for politics in America these days.


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Has entertainment preempted political analysis?

To the extent that entertainment even masquerades as political analysis, yes. One of the most shocking aspects of the success of the Stewart and Colbert shows is that viewers often look to them for a more honest analysis than what is available the usual suspects paraded before cable and network news.

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quote:
Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:

One of the most shocking aspects of the success of the Stewart and Colbert shows is that viewers often look to them for a more honest analysis than what is available the usual suspects paraded before cable and network news.


Even more shocking is that they are right to do so.


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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm:


Even more shocking is that they are right to do so.


Still more shocking is their viewers are the most informed on policy. Despite what, 4 all news channels over there.


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quote:
Originally posted by thorin_bane:
Still more shocking is their viewers are the most informed on policy. Despite what, 4 all news channels over there.

Where else but on these type of shows, such as Real time With Bill Maher, can the voters find insight as to the motivations of the Religious right in America.

[ 04 November 2008: Message edited by: Slumberjack ]


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What I find bizarre is that progressives are looking to TV humorists for statements truly critical of politicians and the State. Compare the time we spend reading the likes of Chomsky, Zinn or Albert to the time expended on Stewart and Colbert. Has entertainment preempted political analysis?

So the medium is the message then? I guess we should be glad TV is on the way out... I hope Chomsky, Zinn and Albert are familiar with the net because I don't see printed books making a comeback; unless the internet is also an "entertainment" medium rather than an "analysis" medium.


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quote:
Originally posted by It's Me D:

So the medium is the message then? I guess we should be glad TV is on the way out... I hope Chomsky, Zinn and Albert are familiar with the net because I don't see printed books making a comeback; unless the internet is also an "entertainment" medium rather than an "analysis" medium.


Book consumption is actually up.

Report here I think people are spending more time reading on the web which of course leads to the need to read something more substancial than a lot of articles or forum posts. Plus Opra nevermind what I think of the books she promotes, at least she is getting her followers reading.

My young friends and I agree that there is just something about holding a book in your hand, a permanance about it. The ability to dog ear it, bookmark it, fold it back...I don't know I can get a lot of my books from torrents but I prefer to have a physical one in front of me. To be sure a lot of ebook will also be used, but regular books aren't going anywhere IMO.

Sorry about the drift
Daily Show and Colbert report are suppose to be on live at 10:00 est tonight for election coverage. Don't know if that applies to comedy network here though.


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quote:
Originally posted by thorin_bane:

Still more shocking is their viewers are the most informed on policy. Despite what, 4 all news channels over there.


One should take a stop watch to any news broadcast and keep time what is actually "news". When you strip the witty reparte between the nicely coiffed hair stands, the bumpers, the health news about research that is a decade from actually affecting anyone's lives, there's not much steak amoungst all that sizzle.

There's a few constants in American culture. One of them-- and you can check de Toqueville out, is that while they cellebrate freedom of expression, they also cellebrate freedom of expression to dissagree with someone else's freedom of expression.

So, you gotta be tough.

Another is the role of the satirist and humourist illustrating the awful truths, which predates American itself in Franklin's "Poor Richard's Almanac.", and seems to surface around or at the result of social crisis.

I think Franklin and Stewart would like and understand each other, while Thomas Paine and Bill Maher are a natural fit.


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quote:
Originally posted by thorin_bane:
[QB]

Book consumption is actually up.

Report here I think people are spending more time reading on the web which of course leads to the need to read something more substancial than a lot of articles or forum posts. Plus Opra nevermind what I think of the books she promotes, at least she is getting her followers reading.


Many of Stewarts and Colberts guests are promoting books as well, it's one of the main reasons they come on.
I've actually got a few after I've seen them on the show because it's the first I heard of them.


quote:

Sorry about the drift
Daily Show and Colbert report are suppose to be on live at 10:00 est tonight for election coverage. Don't know if that applies to comedy network here though.

It's on CTV. I just saw a commercial for it. Pretty funny actually. Stewart and Colbert standing there...Colbert holding a paper and says generally, "Well I'm ready to call it, I have the result as pre-released by the administration, which they always give out to real news reporters. Stewart 'um well I didn't get them yet' and Colbert giving him a smug shruggy look, "Well what can I say John..."


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quote:
Many of Stewarts and Colberts guests are promoting books as well, it's one of the main reasons they come on.
I've actually got a few after I've seen them on the show because it's the first I heard of them.

Shhh Eliza You are in danger of bluring martin's clear lines between entertainment and analysis...

quote:
Has entertainment preempted political analysis?

Apparently not


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