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CUPE_Reformer
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posted 02 October 2005 08:34 PM      Profile for CUPE_Reformer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"90% of members surveyed are either very satisfied or somewhat satisfied with their job."

"42% of members surveyed ranked CUPE high on an effectiveness scale... and 25% rated CUPE low on the scale."

CUPE membership survey results


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Nam
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posted 03 October 2005 03:13 PM      Profile for Nam     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Your link doesn't connect me to any survey.
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posted 03 October 2005 03:47 PM      Profile for CUPE_Reformer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by Nam
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Your link doesn't connect me to any survey.



Nam:

Apparently it has disappeared. I will continue to search for it.

[ 03 October 2005: Message edited by: CUPE_Reformer ]


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posted 03 October 2005 05:24 PM      Profile for rockerbiff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never saw a survey and I am a CUPE member, was it on the web only ?
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posted 03 October 2005 06:07 PM      Profile for chubbybear        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I work under CUPE - I hate my job and hate my union - where was my survey?
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posted 03 October 2005 06:09 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think we should have a thread called "I hate my job, and I'm not gonna take it any more!"

Someone else start it. I will join.


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posted 04 October 2005 01:04 AM      Profile for CUPE_Reformer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by rockerbiff
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I never saw a survey and I am a CUPE member, was it on the web only ?



rockerbiff:

On 3 Oct 2005 google.ca cached the CUPE membership survey results.


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posted 04 October 2005 12:04 PM      Profile for CUPE_Reformer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is back.

CUPE membership survey results


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posted 04 October 2005 12:47 PM      Profile for RP.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
As mandated by the 2003 convention, CUPE commissioned NOW Communications to conduct a survey of member attitudes about the union and what it should be doing. NOW conducted focus groups in ten cities and surveyed 2425 members across the country.

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posted 04 October 2005 02:03 PM      Profile for rockerbiff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Survey says: When asked how effective CUPE is at representing them, 42% of members surveyed ranked CUPE high on an effectiveness scale… and 25% rated CUPE low on the scale.

What about the other 33% ???


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chester the prairie shark
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posted 04 October 2005 02:15 PM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the other 33% were neutral. i am a cupe member and did the survey. i was one of the 25% or so who said the union should a) negotite a contract and b) administer the contract. full stop. i can do my own activism and political thinking, thank you very much.
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posted 04 October 2005 02:28 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course. Organizations should never do activism; everyone should be activist all by themselves.
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posted 04 October 2005 02:59 PM      Profile for mersh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And it's not like it's a question of one or the other. The most activist folks in CUPE (my union, too, by the way) are the members themselves. Oftentimes, leadership and staff need a little, er, encouragement.
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posted 04 October 2005 03:03 PM      Profile for rockerbiff   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So 58% of members surveyed did not think too highly of CUPE in this regard.
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posted 04 October 2005 03:29 PM      Profile for blake 3:17     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The link does work. Guess it's been fixed.

CUPE does eem things very well and is very poor in other ways. There's a tremendous neglect around strategy for public sector workers. There's a huge gap between analyses of neo-liberalism and relatively decent bargaining on local levels. It doesn't seem like there's much thought put into the nature of the employers, where their faultlines are, and how to do best for all members including the most exploited.

Based on stats and anecdotal evidence, my local has a gap of about 1000% difference in annual earnings. That's a pretty huge contradiction.


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posted 04 October 2005 04:38 PM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
Of course. Organizations should never do activism; everyone should be activist all by themselves.

sorry, perhaps i was mumbling. the union should a) negotite a contract and b) administer the contract. full stop. i can do my own activism and political thinking, thank you very much.

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sorry, perhaps i was mumbling. the union should a) negotite a contract and b) administer the contract. full stop.

So, CUPE shouldn't push for the best contract for its members and for universal social services? Should I be disciplined by the union for doing unpaid prep work? Not oppose privatization deals with community support? Push for greater access to public services? Take issue with the different levels of government?

Business unionism only makes sense when you're in business. For most or many of us low waged CUPE members, things like non-profit health care, education, child care and transportation are just as important as an extra 10 or 20 cents here and there. Without many pretty basic infrastructures, most or all of us couldn't even do our jobs.


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posted 04 October 2005 07:23 PM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by blake 3:17:

Should I be disciplined by the union for doing unpaid prep work? Not oppose privatization deals with community support? Push for greater access to public services? Take issue with the different levels of government?

Business unionism only makes sense when you're in business. For most or many of us low waged CUPE members, things like non-profit health care, education, child care and transportation are just as important as an extra 10 or 20 cents here and there. Without many pretty basic infrastructures, most or all of us couldn't even do our jobs.


why would the union discipline you for your activism? I see you know the things that are important to *you*, and i see also that we agree on these things. i trust you, like me, will have a plan for doing something about it. the union, however has one overriding purpose and that's to secure a contract on behalf of its workers. the union is not a political party, its existence and my membership are tied to my job, i would prefer it if they focused on workplace issues and left me to puzzle out my political and social choices.


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posted 04 October 2005 07:49 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The thing is, workplace conditions do not exist in isolation. I can see staying out of formal politics- in fact, I'd rather that unions would stay out of that personally- but if unions are not 'activist organizations' they are left wide open to becoming 'useless organizations'.
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posted 04 October 2005 07:53 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chester the prairie shark:

the union, however has one overriding purpose and that's to secure a contract on behalf of its workers. the union is not a political party, its existence and my membership are tied to my job, i would prefer it if they focused on workplace issues and left me to puzzle out my political and social choices.

The union has one overriding purpose and that's to improve the situation of its workers generally. It can't begin and end with a contract, and historically it never has, at least not with successful unions. Recipe for being outflanked. Furthermore, again historically, successful activism in north america has generally depended on a strong, radicalized union movement. Successful fights for rights for the working class have happened when unions were in the fight. When they weren't, we have pretty much uniformly lost. I would include the present day, when unions are very lacking in political involvement or radicalism by historical standards, and workers' rights are losing out.

Currently, for instance, there are various "big picture" levers and wedges being used by bosses against unions, to put pressure on wages, benefits, long-term jobs vs. contract employment, and the very existence of unions. Capital mobility, offshoring, "flexibility", and various claims that no alternatives exist and workers must simply roll over are political matters. If the union puts blinkers on and ignores them, then when it gets to the bargaining table it'll be defenseless against them. Restricting one's attention *as a worker* to the bare contract table is quite simply a stupid move. I see it happening a lot, and you know what else I see? Really bad contracts. I'm probably gonna get one soon. If my union membership didn't think more or less like you, we might be able to build allies, come up with some creative ways to put pressure, and so on. But nobody wants to think about it, nobody's willing to imagine that there's anything political about their work situation, everyone wants to be comfortable and not worry unless and until the bargaining committee finally tell them what horrible deal management wants to stick them with, and then they'll try the same old strike that won't work. Then the members will run out of money and/or we'll get legislated back to work.

So, yeah, your attitude is probably gonna cost me a pay raise and worse conditions in a few months, and it's probably cost me a fair amount in the past. Forgive me if I don't give it a great deal of respect.


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posted 04 October 2005 07:53 PM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yes but my union is active in workplace conditions, my workplace. and quite a lot of the activism i've seen from cupe at the local level is party politics.
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Heads up. With Cupe local 79, their lawyer didn't even get my appeal papers in on time. Sat and sat and sat. Finally went in and got them myself and got a new rep. as well. Thankfully my own signature and DATE said it all and I was allowed to continue on with appeal. Good for me for being ProActive, very bad bad Cupe lawyer for allowing it to go beyond the allowed appeal date. Just returned from a OFL week long conference, too much yea yea for us and not enuf yea yea the worker. Go figure.
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posted 04 October 2005 11:33 PM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The union has one overriding purpose and that's to improve the situation of its workers generally.
I'm sorry, i can't fully agree. The union has a fundemental responsibility to improve *the* workplace because that union's existence and membership are tied to those specific jobs. the succesful prosecution of that purpose will improve the situation of its workers "generally" and the summation of those successess across workplaces improves the general situation of all "succesful" unions and creates a standard within the broader community. Much of the situation of workers generally, as you put it, is not really the purvue of unions perse' in this country. The fight for public services like health care and daycare as well as human rights and environmental stewardship is the responsibility of *all* people for the benefit of all people and fought on the local, provincial, national and international fronts.

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we might be able to build allies, come up with some creative ways to put pressure, and so on

I couldn't agree more that these things are necassary. and the fruit of an informed, connected and creative local is harvested at the bargaining table. Another thing a successful union (and i would consider my local and most of the other locals at this place pretty successful) has to do is deliver the goods. Business, in my case public business, has to get done. When it does, this is a strong tool at the bargaining table and at the summation of bargaining tables. See, one of the reasons I support progressive causes, including unions, is that we say these principles, when applied, make it better for everybody including employers. so the tough task for each union is to bargain increased "situation" and then deliver the better product. it is definately doable but this requires a lot of work from a local. Hence my wish to have my local concentrate on bargaining and administering: with all that learning, bargaining, and administering there's not that much time for a lot of outside activism.

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too much yea yea for us and not enuf yea yea the worker.

Now i wouldn't have said those words but i do know from experience that locals are seen by some people from a careerest perspective. Our local alone has graduated several people to national and provincial union "jobs". It is usually at these higher levels where political activism takes place. This may be as it should be but the devil is in the execution. So when Red sees the day-to-day work of his union being botched and then sits through his union guys getting all "woody guthrie" on him, well, he see's a credability gap. I've been on strike, 10 weeks in 1994 and one of the things I remember is a colleague who worked in the strike office saying "they were the worst boss i ever had".

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historically, successful activism in north america has generally depended on a strong, radicalized union movement... when unions are very lacking in political involvement or radicalism by historical standards, and workers' rights are losing out.

this is the macro theory of unionism, bargaining and administering is the micro theory. I think that you have to do the micro well before you can be trully effective at the macro level. why? Because its the only thing local members have direct influence on while the success of the macro level is going to need the buy in of all people, union and nonunion, working and not-working, in the larger political discourse. Radicalised unionism alone will not save public health care only a committed citizenry will.

I like this topic but i have to go "deliver the goods" now.


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posted 05 October 2005 02:27 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chester, what just happened to the BCTF?
Oh, that's right, the provincial government legislated a "contract" for another year. Why? Apparently, because no progress had been made in negotiations. Why had no progress been made? Because the government side knew damn well that they didn't have to negotiate seriously, because in the end the BCTF would get legislated if they didn't knuckle under.

So, just how exactly is the BCTF supposed to avoid political and activist issues, if it's to ever get a decent contract at the bargaining table? The other side are ideologues. If we insist that all that matters is local nuts and bolts, we'll get crushed by the other side, who have no such delusions. Sure, *if* management bargained locally and in good faith, *then* your attitude might be workable. They don't and it isn't.


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