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CUPE_Reformer
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posted 03 October 2005 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Nam quote:
Your link doesn't connect me to any survey.
Nam:Apparently it has disappeared. I will continue to search for it. [ 03 October 2005: Message edited by: CUPE_Reformer ]
From: Real Solidarity | Registered: Nov 2004
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chester the prairie shark
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posted 04 October 2005 07:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by blake 3:17:
Should I be disciplined by the union for doing unpaid prep work? Not oppose privatization deals with community support? Push for greater access to public services? Take issue with the different levels of government? Business unionism only makes sense when you're in business. For most or many of us low waged CUPE members, things like non-profit health care, education, child care and transportation are just as important as an extra 10 or 20 cents here and there. Without many pretty basic infrastructures, most or all of us couldn't even do our jobs.
why would the union discipline you for your activism? I see you know the things that are important to *you*, and i see also that we agree on these things. i trust you, like me, will have a plan for doing something about it. the union, however has one overriding purpose and that's to secure a contract on behalf of its workers. the union is not a political party, its existence and my membership are tied to my job, i would prefer it if they focused on workplace issues and left me to puzzle out my political and social choices.
From: Saskatoon | Registered: Sep 2004
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Rufus Polson
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posted 04 October 2005 07:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by chester the prairie shark:
the union, however has one overriding purpose and that's to secure a contract on behalf of its workers. the union is not a political party, its existence and my membership are tied to my job, i would prefer it if they focused on workplace issues and left me to puzzle out my political and social choices.
The union has one overriding purpose and that's to improve the situation of its workers generally. It can't begin and end with a contract, and historically it never has, at least not with successful unions. Recipe for being outflanked. Furthermore, again historically, successful activism in north america has generally depended on a strong, radicalized union movement. Successful fights for rights for the working class have happened when unions were in the fight. When they weren't, we have pretty much uniformly lost. I would include the present day, when unions are very lacking in political involvement or radicalism by historical standards, and workers' rights are losing out. Currently, for instance, there are various "big picture" levers and wedges being used by bosses against unions, to put pressure on wages, benefits, long-term jobs vs. contract employment, and the very existence of unions. Capital mobility, offshoring, "flexibility", and various claims that no alternatives exist and workers must simply roll over are political matters. If the union puts blinkers on and ignores them, then when it gets to the bargaining table it'll be defenseless against them. Restricting one's attention *as a worker* to the bare contract table is quite simply a stupid move. I see it happening a lot, and you know what else I see? Really bad contracts. I'm probably gonna get one soon. If my union membership didn't think more or less like you, we might be able to build allies, come up with some creative ways to put pressure, and so on. But nobody wants to think about it, nobody's willing to imagine that there's anything political about their work situation, everyone wants to be comfortable and not worry unless and until the bargaining committee finally tell them what horrible deal management wants to stick them with, and then they'll try the same old strike that won't work. Then the members will run out of money and/or we'll get legislated back to work. So, yeah, your attitude is probably gonna cost me a pay raise and worse conditions in a few months, and it's probably cost me a fair amount in the past. Forgive me if I don't give it a great deal of respect.
From: Caithnard College | Registered: Nov 2002
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chester the prairie shark
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posted 04 October 2005 11:33 PM
quote: The union has one overriding purpose and that's to improve the situation of its workers generally.
I'm sorry, i can't fully agree. The union has a fundemental responsibility to improve *the* workplace because that union's existence and membership are tied to those specific jobs. the succesful prosecution of that purpose will improve the situation of its workers "generally" and the summation of those successess across workplaces improves the general situation of all "succesful" unions and creates a standard within the broader community. Much of the situation of workers generally, as you put it, is not really the purvue of unions perse' in this country. The fight for public services like health care and daycare as well as human rights and environmental stewardship is the responsibility of *all* people for the benefit of all people and fought on the local, provincial, national and international fronts. quote: we might be able to build allies, come up with some creative ways to put pressure, and so on
I couldn't agree more that these things are necassary. and the fruit of an informed, connected and creative local is harvested at the bargaining table. Another thing a successful union (and i would consider my local and most of the other locals at this place pretty successful) has to do is deliver the goods. Business, in my case public business, has to get done. When it does, this is a strong tool at the bargaining table and at the summation of bargaining tables. See, one of the reasons I support progressive causes, including unions, is that we say these principles, when applied, make it better for everybody including employers. so the tough task for each union is to bargain increased "situation" and then deliver the better product. it is definately doable but this requires a lot of work from a local. Hence my wish to have my local concentrate on bargaining and administering: with all that learning, bargaining, and administering there's not that much time for a lot of outside activism. quote: too much yea yea for us and not enuf yea yea the worker.
Now i wouldn't have said those words but i do know from experience that locals are seen by some people from a careerest perspective. Our local alone has graduated several people to national and provincial union "jobs". It is usually at these higher levels where political activism takes place. This may be as it should be but the devil is in the execution. So when Red sees the day-to-day work of his union being botched and then sits through his union guys getting all "woody guthrie" on him, well, he see's a credability gap. I've been on strike, 10 weeks in 1994 and one of the things I remember is a colleague who worked in the strike office saying "they were the worst boss i ever had". quote: historically, successful activism in north america has generally depended on a strong, radicalized union movement... when unions are very lacking in political involvement or radicalism by historical standards, and workers' rights are losing out.
this is the macro theory of unionism, bargaining and administering is the micro theory. I think that you have to do the micro well before you can be trully effective at the macro level. why? Because its the only thing local members have direct influence on while the success of the macro level is going to need the buy in of all people, union and nonunion, working and not-working, in the larger political discourse. Radicalised unionism alone will not save public health care only a committed citizenry will.I like this topic but i have to go "deliver the goods" now.
From: Saskatoon | Registered: Sep 2004
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Rufus Polson
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posted 05 October 2005 02:27 PM
Chester, what just happened to the BCTF? Oh, that's right, the provincial government legislated a "contract" for another year. Why? Apparently, because no progress had been made in negotiations. Why had no progress been made? Because the government side knew damn well that they didn't have to negotiate seriously, because in the end the BCTF would get legislated if they didn't knuckle under.So, just how exactly is the BCTF supposed to avoid political and activist issues, if it's to ever get a decent contract at the bargaining table? The other side are ideologues. If we insist that all that matters is local nuts and bolts, we'll get crushed by the other side, who have no such delusions. Sure, *if* management bargained locally and in good faith, *then* your attitude might be workable. They don't and it isn't.
From: Caithnard College | Registered: Nov 2002
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