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Wilf Day
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posted 30 April 2004 10:49 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tomorrow's expansion makes the EU the biggest single market in the world: a market of 455 million people with a combined GDP of 10.4 trillion dollars in 2002, vs. 295 million people and 10.1 trillion for the USA.

And the difference will only grow. Growth rates of between 5% to 8% of GDP in the acceding countries are far outstripping those of the EU15 and are likely to do so for the next decade, because the acceding countries are starting from relatively low GDPs.


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posted 30 April 2004 04:34 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
how can it be a single market without labour mobility? current EU members can impose restrictions on the free movement of labour for up to seven years after new countries join in.

i was changing my address at my bank yesterday (i live in coventry, near to birmingham, in england), and the fellow beside me was from slovakia (a new EU country). he had to do some banking activity, but they had to call about 3 different places to find out how to deal with someone who was already a UK resident but a new member of the EU. it's going to be a bureaucratic nightmare.


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Wilf Day
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posted 01 May 2004 07:53 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Listening to the very moving singing of the European Anthem, Beethoven's Ode to Joy, I realized I didn't know the words.

So here they are:

quote:
Joy, Oh ! divine scintillation
Sparkling from Elysium,
With a cheerful animation
Goddess, to thy shrine we come.

These our nations once divided
Now your magic spells unite,
Where your wing does beat around them
Brotherhood and love delight.

With a kiss bestowed on millions
Embraced in fraternity,
Let us build a world of union
And peace for all humanity.


The Council of European Ministers officially announced the European Anthem on January 19th 1972 at Strasbourg: the prelude to "The Ode to Joy", 4th movement of Ludwig van Beethoven's 9th symphony.

The first verse is as written by Friedrich von Schiller in German, and had to be rather clumsily translated in order to make it scan with the music. Also, they cleaned it up a little in English: The third and fourth lines actually say

"We enter, drunk with fire [or fiery rapture],
O heavenly one, your holy shrine."

but I guess "cheerful" is the English euphemism for "drunk."

Here's a better translation of the first verse (but it doesn't scan):

quote:
Joy -- you beautiful spark of the gods,
you, daughter of Paradise --
we approach your heavenly grounds
drunk with fiery passion!

[ 01 May 2004: Message edited by: Wilfred Day ]


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posted 01 May 2004 09:07 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't even know the EU had a national anthem. A fine choice, in any case.
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Wilf Day
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posted 01 May 2004 09:57 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Keenan:
A fine choice . . .

Yes, although it reads a lot better in German, since poetry is notoriously hard to translate.

Which is an interesting bit of symbolism for the expanded EU: the 8 new eastern European member countries are all in the German orbit, bordering Germany or with other good reason to learn German as their second language.

In the original EU, the centre of gravity was the little world of Bonn, Strasbourg, Bruxelles and Paris, all within a 250 mile radius of each other. In the new EU and the new Germany, isn't the centre Berlin?


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posted 02 May 2004 01:16 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good case for moving EU headquarters to Prague....
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posted 02 May 2004 08:52 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i remember visiting berlin in march 1998, and an information centre display was very explicit about their new main train station (the hamburger bahnof), that it was the mid-point of stockholm-vienna and moscow-madrid.

i'll ask it again: how can the EU be a single market without labour mobility?


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