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N.Beltov
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posted 01 June 2006 12:24 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just read it in the editorial comments of the latest issue of Monthly Review. It turns out that Zbigniew Brzezinski advised then-President Carter that financing the Mujahadeen/"dushmen" would lead to a Soviet military intervention. Here is the quote:

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Brzezinski:...According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

So much for the official line that US "aid" was in "response to" a Soviet invasion.

National Security Advisor fesses up.

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Question: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalists, having given arms and advice to future
terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?**


Tell that to the victims of September 11, 2001, asshole.

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josh
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posted 01 June 2006 12:39 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It appears that the interview is from 1998. I wonder whether he feels different today given that he opposed the Iraq war.
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N.Beltov
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posted 01 June 2006 01:15 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've seen Brzezinski on the idiot box once or twice in the last year or so on the PBS news program. As best as I can recall he still sticks to the "Afghanistan is the SU's Vietnam and I'm proud of the role I played in that," or something like that.

Why did Brzezinski oppose the Iraq war? Did he oppose it from the start or just once it became clear that it was a "quagmire"?


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Cueball
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posted 01 June 2006 01:25 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because there were no Russians in Iraq.
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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 01 June 2006 02:36 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've always considered Zbig to be the Mr. Hyde to Robert S. McNamara's Dr. Jekyll. But its two sides of the same coin.

Just recently saw the movie "The Quiet American." I think most Americans would be shocked to know how much the CIA was meddling in Vietnam before the French even left.

We have our dirty hands everywhere it seems.


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posted 01 June 2006 02:45 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe Brezinski foresaw the quagmire that is militant Islam that lay ahead of the U.S. military in Iraq. Afterall, the state department and CIA were the one's who initiated operation cyclone.

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Zbigniew Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorized $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "de-stabilise" the Soviet Union...
The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.

Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.

In Pakistan, they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.

...
No American newspaper dares suggest that the prisoners in Camp X-Ray are the product of this policy, nor that it was one of the factors that led to the attacks of September 11.

Nor do they ask: who were the real winners of September 11?
...
As the US military's biggest supplier, Lockheed Martin's share value rose by a staggering 30 per cent.


The Bush crime family, banana Republican's and friends of the party have investments in, or were once corporate CEO's and board members of major military contractors like Lockheed and Raytheon as well as big oil.


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josh
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posted 01 June 2006 03:37 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

Why did Brzezinski oppose the Iraq war? Did he oppose it from the start or just once it became clear that it was a "quagmire"?

Because there were no Russians in Iraq.


While at least somewhat facetious, there's a lot of truth. Brezenski's Polish background made him quite anti-Russian. However, he did oppose the Iraq war from the start, and has made some of the most lucid criticims of it.


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Fidel
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posted 01 June 2006 04:10 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And Zbigniew has a history of supporting the wrong side. He said he encouraged China to support Pol Pot. The U.S. pressured the U.N. into supplying the Khmer Rouge with aid and food during the Cambodian conflict and against the NVA.

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ceti
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Wrong side? both Pol Pot and vicious thugs like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar where elevated by the US to harrass the pro-Soviet regimes of Vietnam and Afghanistan respectively. This fit into the general pattern of supporting the UNITA rebels in Angola and the Contras in Nicaragua. Little more than isolated fanatics and criminal gangs before US aid, they were transformed into the "moral equivalent of our founding fathers" as Reagan put it.
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