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DrConway
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posted 19 November 2003 04:13 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This website was referenced by the new CCPA monitor that just came out, and the report on E.I. and its failures is here.

Furthermore, when I first cited the figure that only one-third of those unemployed now qualify for EI, my statement was initially dismissed as a statistical artifact or a mis-counting.

I believe I am borne out by the table on page three of the PDF file which shows, in black and white, the percentages of unemployed Canadians considered eligible for UI after four rounds of legislative changes, as follows:

Legislative Change
Bill C-21 (1990) Bill C-113 (1993) Bill C-17 (1994) Bill C-12 (1996)
% of Unemployed Receiving UI 74% 57% 51% 42%

Since then, eligibility has dropped, according to the PDF file, to about 38% of those so unemployed.

It sounds hard to believe, that as recently as 1988, around 80% of working Canadians, if they had become unemployed, would be considered eligible for UI. It sounds equally hard to believe that our government has become so parsimonious and cheap with the unemployment insurance fund that it makes people applying for EI feel undesired and unwelcome for doing so.


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clearview
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posted 19 November 2003 04:22 PM      Profile for clearview     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And not only would they have qualified for EI, their benefits would have been around 85% rather than the 55% they would now get.
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radiorahim
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posted 20 November 2003 03:05 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't remember EI benefits ever being 85% of salary but I do remember back in the 1970's it being 2/3's of salary (that's what it was during my last prolonged period of unemployment!).

I think in the early 1970's it may have been as high as 75%.

In any case, before the Liberals came in workers who were on job training programmes used to be able to qualify for extended UI benefits. That was back in the "good old days" of Brian Mulroney.

The Liberals eliminated extended benefits for workers on training programmes as part of their package of so-called "reforms" in the 1990's.

That's one of the big reasons I've always considered the Liberals as being more right-wing than the Tories.

Just another thought taking a brief look at the report, municipal and provincial politicians should be screaming over the EI cuts over the years. Billions of dollars in worker spending power has been taken out of provincial and local economies as a result of the Liberal EI cuts.

Its absolutely scandalous considering the huge surplus in the EI fund.

[ 20 November 2003: Message edited by: radiorahim ]


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clearview
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posted 20 November 2003 05:20 PM      Profile for clearview     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mistake, You are right. The high end was 75% for those with dependents and about 66% for those without. I mixed up benefits with qualifying as at one point more than 80% of unemployed qualified for benefits, and that is no longer the case.
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Michelle
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posted 20 November 2003 06:00 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, about 4 years ago (and possibly still now), extended benefits WERE available to people whose training program would go past their EI end date. In fact, even some "reachback" clients (people who have been on EI within the last 3 years, or 5 years for EI maternity leave clients) could get benefits if they could justify the training.

Of course, the catch is, qualifying for training is difficult.


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babbler/dabbler
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posted 20 November 2003 07:15 PM      Profile for babbler/dabbler        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't "insurance" something you pay so that if you pay into it and then need it, you can make a claim?

In the case of EI, since you have to pay into it. at a rate that is set by the Federal government who collects the premiums, that when the worker becomes unemployed through no fault of the worker, due to lack of work or injury, how can a claim be refused?

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clearview
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posted 20 November 2003 08:02 PM      Profile for clearview     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One way the claim can be refused is if the worker does not have enough insurable hours, in the 52 weeks prior to becoming unemployed, to qualify. The required number of hours vary from region to region such that places with low unemployment rates require a higher number of insurable hours required to qualify, and vice-versa for places with higher unemployment rates.
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radiorahim
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posted 21 November 2003 12:47 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Actually, about 4 years ago (and possibly still now), extended benefits WERE available to people whose training program would go past their EI end date. In fact, even some "reachback" clients (people who have been on EI within the last 3 years, or 5 years for EI maternity leave clients) could get benefits if they could justify the training.

What you're referring to Michelle is the training allowance which yes is still available...if...and that's a very big "if" these days you can justify the training. And of course this training allowance is very minimal.... I've forgotten exactly what the amount is...but its about $100 a week give or take.

What I was referring to is actually extending one's UI/EI benefits while you were on a training course...which used to be the case pre-"EI reform". You'd get the same amount while you were training as you would have got while you were drawing your regular benefits.


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 21 November 2003 02:21 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How else was the government going to balance the budget on the backs of workers without "raising taxes"?

I've heard that it is actually illegal that money be removed from the EI fund to use on things other than EI.

I've also heard that the government, under then finance minister Paul Martin, did exactly that.

If so, why no arrest?


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Nam
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posted 22 November 2003 01:07 AM      Profile for Nam     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I thought a case was going through Quebec's court system about the $45 billion in unused EI going to things other than EI. This is how Paul Martin was able to balance budgets for all these years.
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