babble home
rabble.ca - news for the rest of us
today's active topics


  
FAQ | Forum Home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» babble   » current events   » canadian politics   » Paul Martin's new book

Email this thread to someone!    
Author Topic: Paul Martin's new book
skarredmunkey
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 11117

posted 24 October 2008 06:59 AM      Profile for skarredmunkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, now we know what the MP for Lasalle-Emard was doing during the 39th parliament.

Writing a new spite-fest.

From the Toronto Star:

quote:
He also puts Harper, his one-time rival, squarely in the crosshairs, charging that the Conservative leader has a 'long career' showing that he favours 'dismantling many social programs, including important elements of medicare'

...

'The Conservatives have tried to undo much of what we accomplished. But the day will come when we find our way back as a nation to the principles and policies I laid down. The delay will cost us,' Martin writes, claiming the Conservatives have squandered progress with natives, climate change and relations with India and China.


Ahh yes, progress with "natives" ... universal health care ... fighting climate change...

All principles for which Paul Martin Jr. was just the absolute embodiment.


From: Vancouver Centre | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged
genstrike
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 15179

posted 24 October 2008 01:51 PM      Profile for genstrike   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wait, Paul Martin is accusing someone of dismantling social programs?

Seriously, babble is really making my brain hurt today.


From: winnipeg | Registered: May 2008  |  IP: Logged
Max Bialystock
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 13870

posted 24 October 2008 01:53 PM      Profile for Max Bialystock     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Harper didn't dismantle Canada's social programs very much. He didn't have to. His predecessors Chretien and Martin already took care of that!
From: North York | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged
JeffWells
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 4761

posted 24 October 2008 02:25 PM      Profile for JeffWells     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I love hearing Liberals forlornly plea for the NDP to fold its tent and "unite the left," when the Liberals can't even unite themselves.
From: Toronto | Registered: Dec 2003  |  IP: Logged
janfromthebruce
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 14090

posted 25 October 2008 06:04 AM      Profile for janfromthebruce     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Deficit slayer sees legacy cut to piecesDeficit slayer sees legacy cut to pieces where Martin laments
quote:
Top of the list of the Harper government's imprudent moves, in Mr. Martin's view, is the GST cut that took some $12-billion out of government coffers.

But didn't the inhouse liberal official opposition support that budget move by voting for the budget that did that or well abstain or not show up?

But my favourite Martin comments are this:

quote:
Mr. Martin dislikes how the Tories walked away from his childcare plan and agreement to boost funding for native education and health, but he recognizes Mr. Harper came to office with his own agenda. "But how they could walk away from the fiscal agenda is simply beyond me," he said.

AND

quote:
In his book, Mr. Martin describes the Tory abandonment of the Kelowna accord - a $5-billion, five-year plan struck with natives and the provinces to bring aboriginal living standards up to the Canadian average - as "beyond the pale" and his "deepest regret at losing the election of 2006."

FINAL BULL (really?)

quote:
Kelowna is not his only regret. Mr. Martin wishes he had pushed to move Omar Khadr to Canada to face justice.

While most countries have repatriated accused terrorists from Guantanamo Bay to face justice at home, Mr. Khadr, who was 15 at the time of his alleged crime, awaits trial by a U.S. military tribunal. "If you don't protect your civil liberties you give the terrorists victory," Mr. Martin said. "It does strike me that ... the balance got somewhat out of kilter."


Perhaps, I was asleep during this time, but does anybody remember one liberal who wanted Khadr brought home?


From: cow country | Registered: Apr 2007  |  IP: Logged
unionist
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 11323

posted 25 October 2008 06:39 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
Perhaps, I was asleep during this time, but does anybody remember one liberal who wanted Khadr brought home?

Before 2007 you mean? No. Not one Liberal. And but one NDPer:

Botched trial has forced MPs to acknowledge rights of the Canadian (June 2007)

quote:
In the five years since Khadr's incarceration, his name has been raised in the Commons a total of once – by former New Democrat MP Svend Robinson. That happened in October 2002, shortly after U.S. troops wounded and captured the then 15-year-old after a fierce battle in Afghanistan.

Outside the Commons, politicians weren't much more vocal. At one point, then-NDP leader Alexa McDonough called on Ottawa to ensure that Khadr was accorded the full protection of international law. The then-Liberal government said that it would.

In fact, it did the reverse. ...

Neither the Liberals nor their Conservative successors said or did anything when Khadr alleged he was mistreated by U.S. guards ...

Nor, except for isolated comments like those of McDonough and Robinson, has the NDP been much better. On Monday, Windsor MP Joe Comartin made all of the appropriate civil liberties noises. But otherwise, the silence from that party has been deafening. I can find no record of NDP Leader Jack Layton uttering Khadr's name.


Paul Martin spends a lot of time trying to polish his own stained record. But on the Khadr issue, the rest were no better. Nor, I would argue, are they today. Despite many organizations allied on this issue, the parties in the House still say next to nothing.


From: Vote QS! | Registered: Dec 2005  |  IP: Logged
janfromthebruce
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 14090

posted 25 October 2008 08:21 AM      Profile for janfromthebruce     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well Unionist, I agree and disagree with your assessment. Obviously in your own quote the NDP raised it or it wouldn't have been quoted.

I also believe the NDP were derided relentless about it. Taliban Jack comes to mind here. And no, I am not making an excuse for the party. I do remember around the same time they went to bat for Arar and which again, the libs did nothing.

Of course, I was talking about Martin the liberal here who reinvents history (and is not questioned by the interviewer to the "truth" of his assertion in the book), but you moved it to put down the NDP, who did have a better record if one takes into account MAHER ARAR.


From: cow country | Registered: Apr 2007  |  IP: Logged
pogge
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 2440

posted 25 October 2008 09:22 AM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
...who did have a better record if one takes into account MAHER ARAR.

I've tried to follow all of these cases closely since Arar's original detention. It's true that in that case the NDP helped to get some attention to the story while so many others were either trying to ignore it or actively smearing the victim. But on the cases since Arar's, they've been decidedly less vocal. It's one of the criticisms I have of the party. It used to be stronger on this issue.


From: Why is this a required field? | Registered: Mar 2002  |  IP: Logged
Fidel
rabble-rouser
Babbler # 5594

posted 25 October 2008 11:22 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The American inquisition following 9-11 was like a black hole sucking everyone in, including our two old line parties as usual. I'm not convinced that the NDP was taken in in the same way. They may have been guilty of forgetting to hammer away at the Liberals to stand up for Khadr's rights. Babysitting the Liberals is a momumental task, and there were only 13 NDP MP's at the time Chretien's Liberals handed him over to the Americans to be tortured.

As far as social programs went under the Chretien-Martin Liberals, which party campaigned against Mulroney and the very neoliberal FTAA in 1993, and then signed the expansionary version of it with NAFTA?

I can see the Liberals claiming fiscal madness after the big bank heist in 1991 under Mulroney. But then they voluntarily knuckled under to national debt mania as a result and followed neoliberal prescriptions to a tee when there were alternatives.

[ 25 October 2008: Message edited by: Fidel ]


From: Viva La Revolución | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged

All times are Pacific Time  

   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | rabble.ca | Policy Statement

Copyright 2001-2008 rabble.ca