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choice joyce
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posted 13 June 2007 12:17 PM      Profile for choice joyce   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I know this topic has been discussed and the thread closed, but I would like to add more perspective, if I may. The Wish List controversy is ongoing, and there is now a stronger pro-choice presence there. Please check out the pro-choice Editorial #2 I wrote for the site at http://www.cbc.ca/wish/ and also the many comments (both pro and anti) under the anti-choice Editorial #1 http://www.cbc.ca/wish/2007/06/editorial_1.html

I know this contest is stupid, it's become a farce, and it's very unfortunate that it got hijacked by right-wingers and anti-choicers. But the CBC doesn't want to stop it for fear of censorship criticism.

"Abolish Abortion" is the #1 wish by a wide margin, which may indicate growing confidence within the anti-choice movement, and their increased hopes for a chance to re-open the debate and recriminalize abortion. Even though we might dislike the contest itself, this is a venue for us to show strong and principled opposition to their views. I believe it's always important to stand up for what's right and fight injustice, and we should not let the anti's control the debate here, or elsewhere. Unfortunately, we can't really afford to be complacent about abortion rights anymore in this country.

So I invite you to please take a look - you don't have to join Facebook to make comments on the CBC website. Thank you!

Joyce Arthur, Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, www.arcc-cdac.ca


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choice joyce
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posted 13 June 2007 12:42 PM      Profile for choice joyce   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Forgot to mention, if you ARE a member of Facebook or can join, you can support the #3 wish that "Canada would remain pro-choice" here: http://www.facebook.com/sgroup/subgroup.php?oid=2392827649&sub_oid=2355464304
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posted 13 June 2007 02:18 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is the risk that are undertaken when media is misunderstood. Whateve CBC producers came up with this idea prolly thot that the typical student oreinted 'facebook' was a buy into a cool young demographic. So would I. Who could consider that the organized right wing blogosphere could organize such a sudden and dynamic hijack? Well, now we know. Unmodded space is always vulnurable to attack from the Xtian fundies and the criminal racists and must never be left open to similar threat.
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remind
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posted 14 June 2007 08:54 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Makwa:
...Who could consider that the organized right wing blogosphere could organize...Unmodded space is always vulnurable to attack from the Xtian fundies and the criminal racists and must never be left open to similar threat.

In an actual fact, I would have considered the anti-rights crowd would get something going and have been expecting a national action for awhile now. I just wasn't expecting it to be the CBC.

Advertising dollars, in part, control the media, in every form. If you look in the Christian Government Canada thread, you will see exactly how many and who is working to try and make Canada a theocracy. And their lies start on the home page.


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posted 16 June 2007 11:21 AM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
To everyone who has facebook:

I found a much better way to organize all the pro choice supporters on facebook.

Abolish Abortion is still the number one wish, but the pro choice wish is catching up , it is now in the number 2 spot. The reason? Because I have created a pro choice group that corresponds to the pro choice wish on the wish lit.

I have spent a lot of times on this and I am going to ask you guys to take a look at the pro choice facebook group I created.

I created this group for the purpose of mobilizing all the pro choice people on facebook. The summary of my group clearly states the CBC Canadian wish list and the urgency of adding support for the pro choice wish so that the “abolish abortion” wish will not be the number one wish on July 1.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2421536323

The main purpose is *not* just for you to join this group. I created this group for promotional purpose, as there is no other effective ways of “inviting all your friends” to the pro choice wish

From becoming a member of this group, you can invite all your friends and inform them about the Anti-choice wish on the Canadian wish list.

I hope everyone who has facebook here will join and promote my group to their friends.

A little information:

When a facebook user creates a group on facebook or when a user join a facebook group, they have the option to "invite their friends" to the group, this *is* the reason my group has grew from 0 members to 1400 members in just 3 days. This *is* the only group that is made for the purpose of promoting the pro choice wish and is the only efficient way of promoting the pro choice wish to everyone else on facebook. If you really want to knock off the “abolish abortion” wish from the number one position. Join this group, and tell all your friends about it.


*unfortunately, facebook has decided to disable my account for no good reasons, but you can still join and invite people, the only difference is I won’t be available for contact right now. Hopefully, I will get my account back soon.*

[ 16 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]

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posted 16 June 2007 11:31 AM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It's a great idea. I've already joined the group, and invited my friends. So far, 22 of my friends have joined, too. My next step is to go through the 1,665 names who haven't replied to an invitation and nudge the ones I know.

Edited to add: Let us know about your account. Do you want us to spread the word about this?

[ 16 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]


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posted 16 June 2007 11:42 AM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by writer:
It's a great idea. I've already joined the group, and invited my friends. So far, 22 of my friends have joined, too. My next step is to go through the 1,665 names who haven't replied to an invitation and nudge the ones I know.

Edited to add: Let us know about your account. Do you want us to spread the word about this?

[ 16 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]



Thank you writer, you are doing great works.

If you click to “see all members’, you will know that about 1700 facebook users are invited to the group, we need to have more. The Abolish Abortion group is doing the same thing.

I contacted the facebook people a while ago, I said I did not spam or do anything and did not know why they disabled my account. It is pretty ridiculous to suppress my freedom of speech.

Feel free to spread the words about my group, I created the facebook group just so that people will learn about the pro choice wish on the CBC Canadian wish list.


Hopefully when I get my account back, I can add someone to be the admin. I need someone trustworthy so they can delete hateful comments/spam and make the appropriate changes that are necessary. And someone will be able to take on the role of the admin when one of the admin's account is disabled.

I found out that promoting people to the “officer” position does not give them any real power, what a waste of time that was.

But anyways, fortunately, the group looks fine as it is now, and it can go on without me for a least a short while.

I want to stress to everyone that joining the group alone is not enough, the group is not the pro choice wish, the group is for promotional purpose and to link people to the pro choice wish so they can add their support.

[ 16 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]

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posted 16 June 2007 11:53 AM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One more thing, as a last ditch attempt, when I dot back my account (or if), I might send a mass messages to all those who did not reply to the invite and tell them to join the wish list and add their support to the pro choice wish (although they might have already but they just didn’t join my group)

I don’t know if that would piss off a lot of people, but I just hope we will keep up the momentum. I don’t want to sound conceited, but there is really no other effective ways to knock down the “Abolish Abortion” wish from the number one spot.

So i strongly encourage everyone to join and add their support to the pro choice wish and finally, invite their friends to the group so they can do the same thing.

[ 16 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]


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posted 16 June 2007 12:17 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
(Never mind! - I found the answer.)

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posted 16 June 2007 12:40 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thank you for speaking out for me, I don’t want to make a big issue about it. The facebook people emailed me and said they will look into it as soon as possible. *shrugs*

We’ll see.


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posted 16 June 2007 12:54 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Have joined the group, and have emailed contacts with the link to join and vote, and a link to the group.
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posted 16 June 2007 12:54 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Holy shit! I was just writing a reply on facebook about this situation and the following message popped up:

quote:
Warning! Your account could be disabled.

You are using this feature to spam other users. Continued misuse of Facebook's features will result in your account being disabled. If you have any questions or concerns, you can contact us at [email protected] from your login address.


I was posting a message to the discussion board of the pro-choice wish! I have *not* been spamming.


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posted 16 June 2007 01:12 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Writer, the same thing happened to me.

I was *not* spamming.

Please do not post anymore, wait till the warning label is gone.

I had to wait for 12 hours to get rid of the warning label, even than, my account was *still* disabled* when I resume posting.

I don’t know why, this is horrible and I am so sick of Steve the prolifer and the wish creator of insinuating that I am a spammer.


Thank you for your help anyways, but you account will be disabled if you don't stop posting now.


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posted 16 June 2007 01:16 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On facebook, someone wrote:

quote:
It seems to say on the link that she sent out mass group invitations to everyone on the facebook site. Not sure if I would call that spamming but I'm certainly leaning that way. It's not something that would cross my mind cause I would never do it for fear of turning people off.

This is not the case. She has said she might message people who've been invited to join her group but who have not responded if she gets her account back. Not that she has sent invitations to everyone on facebook.

Sorry to deal with this here. I am still getting a message that accuses me of spamming, and that I will have my account disabled.

Yay, great project there, CBC!

Edited to add: babblerwannabe, don't worry, I'm not posting there as long as I get the warning.

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posted 16 June 2007 01:38 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, that’s the smart thing to do although my account was still disabled even when I had wait until the warning label was gone. It doesn’t make any sense. I am sorry I indirectly caused this problem for you.

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posted 16 June 2007 01:49 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And I am sadden that people would put words into my mouth. I never said anything about sending a mass invitation to everyone on the facebook.

Steve Orlowski from facebook, please do not put words into my mouth, I am disappointed at certain people who are jumping to conclusion about my supposed *spamming*.


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posted 16 June 2007 02:29 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
I am sorry I indirectly caused this problem for you.

I don't see it this way at all!

Edited to add: I can't even reply to private messages that my friends send to my Facebook account!

[ 16 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]


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posted 16 June 2007 02:52 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From the CBC Wish List wall:
quote:
In regards to Casey's account to being disabled you asked why?

Because it's one thing to start wish about a topic, it's quite another thing to start or join a wish attacking a PERSON.

That's why.


I can't speak to that. But I can say that I have started no list of any kind, nor have I joined anything which personally attacks anyone, and yet Facebook is threatening to disable my account.

Why?

(And, of course, I can't respond on Facebook because I am being warned that my account will be cut off.)

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posted 16 June 2007 03:06 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I did not join her wish to attack her. In her wish to “restore the traditional definition of marriage”, she deleted *all* comments that questioned her group’s stance on homosexuality and same sex marriages. She does not allow *any* debate in her own anti-equal marriage wish. She is a lunatic and a hypocrite, her rhetoric is offensive and her opinions are hostile so I wouldn’t take her seriously.

She was the one coming to our pro choice wish and talking about how homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and how everyone can choose to be not gay because she has gotten over her *same sex attraction.*

I admitted that a couple of us did make fun of her supposed *ex-gayness* but that was done on the main discussion board, not on her wish about banning gay marriages.

http://www.facebook.com/sgroup/subgroup.php?oid=2392827649&sub_oid=2458141064

Her wish:

"THIS GROUP IS NOT FOR DEBATING. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE WISH THAN DO NOT JOIN. IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE, PLEASE START YOUR OWN GROUP."


And her comment on homosexuality on the Pro Choice wish:

"I am liberated because I am NOT defined by my sexuality and I know that living the inclinations is a CHOICE.

Sexuality is a very small part of who we are, contrary to the absurd Freudian way of thinking that pervades our society. I think it's tragic that people define themselves by where they put their penises and vaginas. We are so much more than that."

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2355464304&topic=2568&start=30

Is this not an attack on homosexuals that they are supposedly only about sex, and that they are defined by their sexuality? This is not an *attack* or an *insult* on homosexuals?


We all know that this is just about fighting dirty, we should just focus on promoting my group and when I do get my account back, would you be one of the admins, writer? I need more administrators for my group and I hope we can organize this a little more better and this can be more of a group effort, instead of just me, myself and I. People are not going to magically turn to the Canadian wish list.

[ 16 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]


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posted 16 June 2007 03:14 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sure! And there is someone else who's posted to your group indicating she'd do admin, too. (Luckily, I let her know about your situation before I was shut down with the warning.)

While you (and I) are blocked from Facebook, I think it's worth encouraging those who come here from there to spread the news, and maybe let people know about this thread.

It might motivate others to act, and to add their vote to the wish that Canada remain pro-choice.

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posted 16 June 2007 07:22 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Even the so called "lifesite" is talking about the contest.

quote:

deleted.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jun/07061408.html

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posted 16 June 2007 07:35 PM      Profile for DavisMavis     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
[QUOTE]Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
Even the so called "lifesite" is talking about it..

Eep, careful about linking there!


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posted 16 June 2007 08:51 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I am sorry, is this not allowed? I was only trying to point out the seriousness of this contest...
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posted 16 June 2007 09:44 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
I am sorry, is this not allowed? I was only trying to point out the seriousness of this contest...

1. I don't appreciate quotes from lifesite.

2. This contest is not serious. This particular emperor has no clothes.


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posted 16 June 2007 10:30 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

1. I don't appreciate quotes from lifesite.

2. This contest is not serious. This particular emperor has no clothes.


1. I don’t like the lifesite either.

2. This contest might not be serious, but it has influence on some of us. While you might not think this is something worth looking at, the wish list has been distressing and upsetting for some of us, and we will express our feelings about it.

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The pro-choice wish has broken 3,000, but is still in second place:

Top Wishes By Membership
4129 - Abolish Abortion in Canada
3014 - I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice


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posted 17 June 2007 08:08 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
1. I don’t like the lifesite either.

2. This contest might not be serious, but it has influence on some of us. While you might not think this is something worth looking at, the wish list has been distressing and upsetting for some of us, and we will express our feelings about it.


Glad you stated this, it really isn't about those whom it doesn't affect!


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posted 17 June 2007 09:48 PM      Profile for babblerwannabe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by writer:
The pro-choice wish has broken 3,000, but is still in second place:

Top Wishes By Membership
4129 - Abolish Abortion in Canada
3014 - I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice



Yeah, it’s nice to know that all the efforts we have put into this wish is not completely wasted. I am thankful that we now have a huge chance to knock off the abolish abortion wish. I asked many people to support and join my group and although my effort is not being acknowledged by the wish creator or a lot of people, that doesn’t matter as long as the pro choice wish wins.

We are very close to the number one wish, i am happy!


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Top Wishes By Membership

4183 - Abolish Abortion in Canada
3135 - I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice

So, I've just received this from someone working at Facebook:

quote:
Please slow down account activity for a few days and the warning should go away on its own. If you get warned for using a specific feature, I recommend that you stop using the feature completely for a few days until the warning goes away. Let me know if you have any further questions.

So, the CBC sets up this "contest". The anti-choice crowd sets up a wish to take away women's rights. I respond. And now I can't do anything with elements of my account - some of which I hadn't used before the warning - for "a few days" ...

And the contest will end in a few days ...

Nice.

Way to go, CBC!

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posted 18 June 2007 04:05 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Unionist,

This is slightly more important than any other run of the mill internet poll. The winning group will have a representative make his case on CBC to the nation.


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quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
Unionist,

This is slightly more important than any other run of the mill internet poll. The winning group will have a representative make his case on CBC to the nation.


1. The public broadcaster ought not to offer a platform to the "winner" of such a contest. If you like, start a "wish" to that effect.

2. No credibility should be given. If pro-choice forces participate and "lose", that's far worse than refusing to participate on principle.

3. If you think we can't afford to pass this up, then it never ends. We'll have to harass people to participate in, "I wish Preston Manning were Prime Minister", and "I wish Canada remains a capitalist country". No thank you.

4. "Making his case on CBC to the nation" is an oxymoron. The nation doesn't watch CBC. (j/k)

I think it's very wrong for progressive people to get sucked in to meaningless mob mania of this nature. I was unimpressed by the "greatest Canadian" madness. So Tommy Douglas won - wonderful - so what?

When they use these things to replace elections, I'll start worrying.


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I'm sympathetic, unionist. But Facebook is a place where a lot of people are being directly exposed to this type of thing for the first time.

And one person did start a counter-wish, so that cat is out of that bag.

I'd rather not have people who are seeing what the right wing zealots are willing to do see us simply roll over. Or not bother to show up at all.


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You may be right, writer. We are sometimes embroiled in battles where we don't choose the battlefield. I still think we should look at alternative strategies.

Maybe starting our own campaigns proactively, rather than reacting?

Developing networks of people dedicated to this end?

It's the reactive thing I really don't like, but as you say, you can't always wish the cat back into the bag.


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With the group babblerwannabe has created, just such a network has been established. It will continue after the contest.

The question now is: How can it be managed? With babblerwannabe pulled as the administrator, there is no way to use this group for organizing.


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posted 18 June 2007 09:15 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by writer:
With the group babblerwannabe has created, just such a network has been established. It will continue after the contest.

The question now is: How can it be managed? With babblerwannabe pulled as the administrator, there is no way to use this group for organizing.


Yes, that is the nasty thing about those types of group sub-forums, when the moderator/administrator gets banned. On another forum in the lead into the invasion of Iraq. There were a group of us Canadian women who started a sub-forum, or rather one person started and invited others.

Then suddenly a few days later the administrator got banned, everyone else could go to the group site except the administrator. But no one could administrate.


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posted 18 June 2007 09:20 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
How long is the ban and why? My nephew was banned for 24 hours for excessive usage.
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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

1. The public broadcaster ought not to offer a platform to the "winner" of such a contest. If you like, start a "wish" to that effect.

2. No credibility should be given. If pro-choice forces participate and "lose", that's far worse than refusing to participate on principle.

3. If you think we can't afford to pass this up, then it never ends. We'll have to harass people to participate in, "I wish Preston Manning were Prime Minister", and "I wish Canada remains a capitalist country". No thank you.

4. "Making his case on CBC to the nation" is an oxymoron. The nation doesn't watch CBC. (j/k)

I think it's very wrong for progressive people to get sucked in to meaningless mob mania of this nature. I was unimpressed by the "greatest Canadian" madness. So Tommy Douglas won - wonderful - so what?

When they use these things to replace elections, I'll start worrying.


I agree. I think we should be using Facebook to organize our communities and build coalitions. Let the zealots fight over the fluff.


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Her account has been disabled for about three days, I think.
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quote:
Originally posted by Pogo:
I agree. I think we should be using Facebook to organize our communities and build coalitions. Let the zealots fight over the fluff.


Excuse me, but having one's freedoms and rights put up for a wish to be gone is hardly fucking fluff, nor are we zealots because we wish to protect our Rights.


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Just a quick mention that this thread is in the feminism forum. It would be so super nice if guys wouldn't keep coming here to shit on our very real concerns, calling them trivial.

And yeah, chances are that those who are involved in countering the CBC's current #1 wish to take away our self-determination might possibly be doing other things in the world for women's rights as well.

But thanks for the tip.


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Originally posted by writer:
Her account has been disabled for about three days, I think.


My account has been disabled for about 48 hours.

I understand why some people would not participate in this contest, but I think we are in the thick of it now and giving up would make us appear that we are really defeated. Someone decided to make a counter wish to keep Canada remain pro choice, why not support her?

While we shouldn’t care what people think, I don’t think that it is asking a lot for people to simply click a button and add support to the pro cho wish and invite their friends to our group.

I have thought about boycotting the contest as well, but , maybe I didn’t like the an extremist right wing group taking over a wish list, why can’t I do something about it? And why do people have to attack my efforts, if you don’t want to support it, than don’t but no need to be hostile to me. At least I am the one who is doing something, even if it's not alot, it's something that I have spent my time on.

And I wrote to facebook again. This is my third email to them. I have not received anything except a letter about how they will look into it. I do not feel good about this, but I will keep writing to them everyday.

There’s some nasty messages on my facebook group and I wish I could have deleted it. Obviously, they did not follow the fucking guidelines I wrote about respecting that my group is for pro choice supporters.

[ 18 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]


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Mid-afternoon, the gap between the anti-choice and pro-choice "wish" was 1,048. Now it's 806.

The pro-choice group on Facebook now has 2,160 members.

This group can continue after the contest, promoting access and other issues.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2421536323


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You know, in reality, the contest is fluff, will stay fluff and disappear shortly after its finishing and they have some Anna Marie T discussion about who won. Doesnt matter its a short lived thing on the radar (if its even ON the radar of most canadians)

Ahh but the group that binds to fight it? That can and will last far far longer than this silly contest, with farther reaching consequences and a good foundation for activism in the future (bearing in mind Lagatta's point that the cyber grouping cannot substitute for real world activism but must complement it)


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quote:
Originally posted by Bacchus:
(bearing in mind Lagatta's point that the cyber grouping cannot substitute for real world activism but must complement it)

Someone's been forum shopping!


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Thats what happens when I peruse the TAT first
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Originally posted by writer:
Mid-afternoon, the gap between the anti-choice and pro-choice "wish" was 1,048. Now it's 806.

The difference is only 767 now.

[ 19 June 2007: Message edited by: remind ]


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681!
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681, wow with 11 days to go it is entirely do able, and plus somemore!
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Apparently, Pro-Choice Canadian women on 2nd Life have taken this up as well, and are being quite active about it.
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They are never giving me back my account. My 2000 + group has no admin and will never have an admin.
I will never give up. I will keep writing to them. Un-fucking-believable.


Here’s my exchange with Rose from facebook:

Hi Casey,

You have already been given multiple chances when we previously reactivated your account. You received numerous warnings to slow down. Failure to adhere to those warnings has resulted in the permanent loss of your account. We will not be able to reactivate your account for any reason. This decision is final.

Thank you for understanding,

Rose
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My reply

Dear Rose:

My account was disabled twice. The first time, you guys sent me an email about how I am spamming, and that I should stop writing “form messages”. I was warned the second time, but I never did write any “form messages”, I did not spam and no one ever told me that posting too many messages too quickly is constructed to be *spamming* , there is no way to know what is considered *too many* or *too quickly" anyways.

Nevertheless, I *did* indeed stop posting (any) messages after I received the warning label. I waited for 12 hours after the warning label is
gone and than I started to post messages again, but than my account was disabled all together without any warning.

During the whole time , I was not spamming, I stopped posting when I got the warning and I did as you guys told. I did not *spam* , I also obeyed the warning, and now my account is disabled? Because I am following the rules? This
is quite unfair and I am appealing this decision and I am outraged.

Sincerely
Casey Yau

[ 19 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]

[ 19 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]


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Why is there such consternation that the anti crowd freeped the CBC? The anti crowd has proven time and again that they are tenacious.They are also increasingly marginalised.

The CBC provides an attractive national platform to furthur their intent. It is no surprise that they will use it.


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quote:
Originally posted by jester:
Why is there such consternation that the anti crowd freeped the CBC? The anti crowd has proven time and again that they are tenacious.They are also increasingly marginalised.

The CBC provides an attractive national platform to furthur their intent. It is no surprise that they will use it.


And what, just because it is no surprise they used it, there should be no consternation?

BTW, the consternation is over a variety things actually and not just their freeping of it.


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4073 606 difference. I am organising support from all the personalities in our disorder. Most are in agreement but I cannot locate the feminine side.
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quote:
Originally posted by jester:
I am organising support from all the personalities in our disorder. Most are in agreement but I cannot locate the feminine side.

gah, will it never stop!


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Only 527 in difference now!

4246 Pro-choice

4773 anti-choice


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Jester, we appreciate your support, but could you please do it without making fun of dissociative disorders.
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The gap is closing. The gap is still there. "I wish to control women's bodies because I know what is right for everyone, and that's what democracy is all about" is still ahead by 428.

I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice


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quote:
Originally posted by writer:
The gap is closing. The gap is still there. "I wish to control women's bodies because I know what is right for everyone, and that's what democracy is all about"

Only 349 votes between them now.

Really moving along fast though, closed the gap by almost 200 votes in less than 24 hrs. And the anti-human rights people started days and several thousand votes ahead. I simply cannot conceive of the CBC doing a special on July 1st, about how the greatest wish in Canada is to remove woman's rights.


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Just so you know--here at the CBC, we've received some complaints about the fact that we've continued to let this project continue, because "the wish list has been highjacked by anti-abortion lobby groups."
Our response? There's no such thing as "highjacking" with this project. Who ever can best organize their wish, and get the most people to support it... will come out on top.

I am going to throw up. Abolish abortion is ahead by about 700 votes?

[ 20 June 2007: Message edited by: Polly Brandybuck ]


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Nope, they are ahead by only 324 now, please do get your friends involved polly.
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quote:
Originally posted by Makwa:
... vulnurable to attack from the Xtian fundies and the criminal racists and must never be left open to similar threat.

there does seem to be that trend on that space in regard to x'ian fundy wishes.

Specifically "Restore the Traditional Definition of Marriage"

"For a spiritual revival in our nation."

and Abolish Abortion

These disturb me. Privileged white Christians are very proactive. Maybe we could learn something about how they organise influence the discussion points in this country.


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Originally posted by remind:
Nope, they are ahead by only 324 now, please do get your friends involved polly.

As we speak.


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Just to note that recently Jack Layton posted a wish, and it's already at #8. So consider the lesson learned.

As well, the fundies are FREAKING OUT about how fast the pro-choice wish is catching up. It's worth it just to see them scramble, I've gotta say.


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quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:
Jester, we appreciate your support, but could you please do it without making fun of dissociative disorders.

I'm making fun of myself. Thanks for the encouragement though. It gets lonely here at the bottom of the social order.

As a gesture of atonement, I have engaged my rudimentary freeping skills and posted my support again. 5135/4824 311 difference.


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The difference is now under 300!

From the anti-choice group:

quote:
UPDATE JUNE 15th-----

If you want people to win the Great Canadian Wish List contest, I want you to do the following.

Think of AT LEAST five Canadians you could email who would be willing to participate in the contest and vote for "Abolish Abortion".

Write a brief email explaining the situation. For instructions, they can go to [hzzp://www.bigboinkwoof.ca] (don't forget the link).

As you send the emails, I want you to pray for the contest.

If all 1000 of you do that, that will be 5000 emails sent. If only 10% of the people participate, that's 500 new votes.


I know that it seems tough once you have already email many of your contacts. I know I have. I have several hundred. But you just have to be a little more imaginative. Google people and organizations. Phone up your pro-life relatives. Leaflet your church. THAT is the winning spirit. "I don't want to do any more" is the attitude of a loser, and pro-lifers have fallen back on that attitude for too long. If you want to change something about the abortion situation, the time to change is NOW, and the first step starts with YOU. DEVOTE yourself to this. Too many pro-lifers do not DEVOTE themselves to winning, and that's why we lose. You want to change the attitude in the political sphere? We have to change it in the non-political sphere first.

I hope I didn't sound too mean, but that is the unvarnished truth.


I mean, don't you want to make this person really, really sad?

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quote:
Originally posted by remind:

gah, will it never stop!


The HARD CORE pro-choicers say I am perfect. Very sensible of them.


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quote:
Originally posted by jester:
As a gesture of atonement, I have engaged my rudimentary freeping skills and posted my support again. 5135/4824 311 difference.

Its now 290 only separating the 2, moving up quickly.

Thanks for the clarification, I have fought too long and hard to try to get those with mental health issues to have a voice, to have people make fun of something that is no different than let's say diabetes, or heart problems.


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272, amazing and great work done by all. writer is really out there promoting and posting, you are simply wonderful. And babblewannebe, great work in setting this sub group up, sad that you cannot participate.

The anti-human rights people are getting a tad ruffled. And only 40, or so, votes are needed to boost the strong environmental actions are needed wish, above the getting rid of the SSM's wish.

This evening, I expanded contacts about this to include progressive men, and select business people. So far, most have joined in and are forwarding the movement to their contacts.


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Thanks, remind.

Some pro-choice teenagers / young people have entered into discussions on the "Make Her Be A Mom" wish.

I'm happy to throw my support behind them. Those on Facebook might be interested in taking a peek:

you people sicken me
Abortion Should be Legal!
Is this really something Canadians should support?

[ 20 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]


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Originally posted by writer:
Thanks, remind.

Some pro-choice teenagers / young people have entered into discussions on the "Make Her Be A Mom" wish.

I'm happy to throw my support behind them. Those on Facebook might be interested in taking a peek:


You are quite welcome writer, your insight and ability words is something quite terrific.

Thanks for the heads up on the groups. I had a boo and added some comments on each.


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I've just been warned again. I guess Facebots don't like links to United Nations information.
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I'm curious about whether any of the freepers have been warned or had their accounts suspended or banned on Facebook.

Great work, all. To me, all of this repression of babblerwannabe and writer are even more good reasons not to open an account on Facebook, but for those of you fighting the good fight there, that's awesome.


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Somewhere along the way I'd heard something about SUZANNE F. having her account axed, but I see her posting.

She and someone else are shown as admins for the new anti-choice support group. That second person does not seem to have an active account, but I don't know the story behind this.

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I'm curious about whether any of the freepers have been warned or had their accounts suspended or banned on Facebook

I was told Goat wasn't a real name.


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Well, there is now only 236 more to tie, and wow, writer on the warning yet again. So far, I have not gotten one, and there simply doesn't seem to be any rules anywhere that states criteria.

When people are trying to repress is when I get very active. IMV, if we allow oppression, we will then get what we were apathetic about.


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I was told Goat wasn't a real name

I hate Facebook, and refuse to have a profile but my humorous profile has backed the wish as well as asked others to do the same.


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Pro-choice wish has now broken the 5k mark and is only 219 behind the anti-Human Rights people.
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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
272, amazing and great work done by all. writer is really out there promoting and posting, you are simply wonderful. And babblewannebe, great work in setting this sub group up, sad that you cannot participate.

The anti-human rights people are getting a tad ruffled. And only 40, or so, votes are needed to boost the strong environmental actions are needed wish, above the getting rid of the SSM's wish.

This evening, I expanded contacts about this to include progressive men, and select business people. So far, most have joined in and are forwarding the movement to their contacts.


Thank you, but I have been participating with my new account. I am doing the same thing writer is doing, promoting the group through posting.

We are now about 180 votes behind.


Somehow, the button that indicates how many people have not replied to the invitation to join my group has disappeared.

I took a screen shot of it here:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=79932&o=all&op=1&view= all&subj=2355464304&aid=-1&id=609807227&oid=2355464304

[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]


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Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
Thank you, but I have been participating with my new account. I am doing the same thing writer is doing, promoting the group through posting.

We are now about 180 votes behind.


Your welcome and that is great to hear you are now posting.

And wow, on the almost caught up totals, eh!


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I saw that they were missing. Could be that the limit has been surpassed (combining those who've joined and those who've been invited).

I can't post anything any more, but I've been thinking about the confusion for those who come to the group and think that's all they need to do. Here's what I'd do (if I could):

Post on the group's wall regularly with the comment -

quote:
Thanks for joining this group! Now it's time to give your support for choice where it really counts!

Go to ...

I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice
http://yorku.facebook.com/sgroup/subgroup.php?oid=2392827649&sub_oid=2355464304

... And click the "Add Support" button on the upper-right-hand side.


We are gaining fast! It's anti-5293, pro-choice 5256!

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5336 I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice

5259 Abolish Abortion in Canada

Woo hoo!


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We're in first!
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quote:
Originally posted by writer:
I saw that they were missing. Could be that the limit has been surpassed (combining those who've joined and those who've been invited).

I can't post anything any more, but I've been thinking about the confusion for those who come to the group and think that's all they need to do. Here's what I'd do (if I could):

Post on the group's wall regularly with the comment -

We are gaining fast! It's anti-5293, pro-choice 5256!

[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]


okay i will do that.


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Well, they are taking it with the grace we've come to love them for. One wall post:

quote:
The only losers in it all are the women streamed into abortion, who didn't need it , want it, buy into it, but were forced by the societal norm established by a court system that sucks the big one, a bunch of lesbian feminists who push pro-choice knowing they'll never have children anyway, and a bunch of dogooders making money from the suffering of women.


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It appears that a class of engineering computation lab students signed up for the pro-side together.

And the pro-choice folks are talking about organizing over Pride weekend.


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So *now* they've got anti-spam filters to go through.

Horse. Barn. Out. What were they *thinking* with this idiot thing?

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Wow, we are now ahead by 361 wishes, way to go everyone who has taken part. IMV the silver lining to this whole nonsense wish thing is that has really re-enforced the woman's movement far beyond anything in recent history.
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I asked one of my friends on there to spread the word to his friends and help and help he did!
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And the gap is expanding we are now 509 in front.

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quote:
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Well, they are taking it with the grace we've come to love them for. One wall post:
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The only losers in it all are the women streamed into abortion, who didn't need it , want it, buy into it, but were forced by the societal norm established by a court system that sucks the big one, a bunch of lesbian feminists who push pro-choice knowing they'll never have children anyway, and a bunch of dogooders making money from the suffering of women.
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I'm surprised these people believe there are 6000 lesbians in Canada, let alone on facebook. Of course, you'd wonder how many abortions lesbians would need for unwanted pregnancies...


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My favorite is the one about having paid morality checkers. They really donot see the inconsistencies in their thoughts.

If they think the woman is too 'immoral' for reasons of wanting to have an abortion, how in the hell can she then be responsible enough to raise a child?

And what the hell, morality police?

Then there is the example writer gave that uses "suck the big one" while stating what women want charter rights. As if all women do not want charter rights, or rather those who have not been brainwashed into to believing men have the right to control them.

The hyporcrisy is stark and an example the truly thoughtless. They have their own wish locked so no one pro-choice can participate, but they are swarming the pro-choice wish thread even to the point of starting a thread in the prochoice wish thread that disses the wish creator.


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This is getting ridiculous, the Abolish Abortion wish not only closed a 500 vote gap in a couple of hours, but they gained about 100 supporters in a couple of minutes. This is turning into an even bigger farce than I expected.
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posted 21 June 2007 06:20 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So, you know what it's time for now that this wish is ahead?

It's time for a new wish - "I wish abortion was more accessible to the women who need them in Canada."

Wouldn't it be awesome if the pro-coat-hanger crowd were pushed to third place?


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P.S. I'm half-kidding, really. I don't think it's a good idea to get complacent on the current race.
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quote:
Originally posted by Will S:
This is getting ridiculous, the Abolish Abortion wish not only closed a 500 vote gap in a couple of hours, but they gained about 100 supporters in a couple of minutes. This is turning into an even bigger farce than I expected.

What's this? Who's ahead now? It's not clear.


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The Abolish Abortion wish is now ahead. In the last hour or two it build up a lead of 300 and counting. Apparently lifesite sent out an APB to it's members. Either that or someone's got a program. If you click refresh the number just grows and grows. Very sad.
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In the time it took to write that last post they went up to about 500 votes ahead. Crazy. I'm going to bed. Tomorrow they'll probably have a million supporters.

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posted 21 June 2007 06:59 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The CBC sucks for letting themselves get freeped like this.
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I'm not sure this is freeping for sure. Or, if it is freeping, that CBC actually objects.
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No, the CBC doesn't object at all. They welcome it. That's why they suck.

And I'm not just saying that because the "abolish abortion" side is better at freeping, either. I'll say it even if the "keep the status quo" side wins.

Because you know what? This was a great big exercise in stupidity. Is anyone's biggest wish for Canada that the abortion laws remain status quo? Who the hell dares to dream of...the status quo?

But because of the stupid freeping of the anti-choice nutters, those of us who support human rights and autonomy for women have a choice of either concentrating on the status quo, or concentrating on the stuff we'd really like to dream about and then letting the freepers get their national platform to take away our rights.

Basically, the CBC is allowing themselves to be used by a tiny group of fringe misogynist asses (most of whom would like to see the CBC lose all their funding and become privatized anyhow) to spout a woman-hating platform that most of the country disagrees with, and they're going to pretend at the end of it all that this tiny minority of freaks actually represents the "greatest Canadian wish".

It's not only pandering stupidity, it's outright false reporting. It would even be false reporting if they said the greatest Canadian wish is for the status quo on abortion. Because I'll tell you, that's not MY greatest Canadian wish, and I'll bet it's not most people's greatest Canadian wish. The status quo is the status quo, it's been decided, it's done. Sure, I want it to stay like that, but there are a hell of a lot more important things I'm worried about right now, and to feel like we have to defend the status quo against these freaks instead of concentrating on issues we haven't fought and won yet really galls me.

The CBC is sucking more and more. If they give these goddamned religious freaks a platform to spew hate against women on Canada Day, I'M going to start campaigning for the CBC to lose their funding, I swear to god.

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quote:
Originally posted by Will S:
In the time it took to write that last post they went up to about 500 votes ahead. Crazy. I'm going to bed. Tomorrow they'll probably have a million supporters.

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I have decided to quit this wish list altogether. It's a joke.


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Amen.
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But you know, something can be salvaged from this.

There IS now a network of young women who got mobilized behind this action. They are now seeing that it doesn't do to be complacent when there are so many men and traitorous women out there who would like to take away women's reproductive rights.

Something good can come of this - some kind of useful activism can be done with this many engaged women and men on the issue.


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posted 21 June 2007 07:27 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Looks like the prochoice group got around 400 people in an hour.

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I clicked refresh again 90 seconds later and it was another 150 people.

I'm off.


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7043 pro-choice
7040 anti-abortion

Ok, now I've totally changed my mind, I'm on board, let's win this one!!!


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posted 21 June 2007 08:07 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've been waiting for you to say that, unionist!
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This was posted on facebook 42 minutes ago under how to cheat wishlist:


quote:

1- remove support from your favourite group
2- add support
3- click te back button
4- add support
5- rinse and repeta as desired

Other ppl have posted confirming that it works. So I wonder if this means that CBC will shut down the contest as the results will have no validity or if they will find someway to cancel out the multiple supports?


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quote:
Originally posted by Summer:
This was posted on facebook 42 minutes ago under how to cheat wishlist:


Other ppl have posted confirming that it works. So I wonder if this means that CBC will shut down the contest as the results will have no validity or if they will find someway to cancel out the multiple supports?


It works. I have personally run the numbers up to 7440 from 7350 or so.

The only thing this dorky CBC scam proves is that I have no life.


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All right, all right. I signed up for the stupid facebook. And I supported the pro-choice and proportional representation wishes.
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The person who started the pro-choice wish has pleaded with people not to cheat.
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posted 22 June 2007 04:14 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh really? Okay then.
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Is CBC’s New Populism Perverted? ‘Great Canadian Wish List’: homophobic? Why youth fans like me are tuning out.

- The Tyee

BTW, one of the questions is, what is "cheating" in this context? (Clearly the step-by-step multiple vote thing is cheating, but there is a lot of grey otherwise.)


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As much as it pains me, I'm going to have to close this thread for length, before our dial-up users revolt.
I opened another one in its name, which can be found here.

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