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Cueball
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posted 18 April 2004 08:39 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Milosevic trial mired in swamp of troubles

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The decision by Slobodan Milosevic last week to call Tony Blair as a defence witness in his genocide trial in The Hague is creating a crisis in the already troubled war crimes machine.

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jeff house
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posted 18 April 2004 10:11 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the same story:

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Behind Milosevic's request is almost certainly a realisation that he has lost the legal battle and a determination to fight the case on a political platform.

The prosecutors appear to have proved war crimes were committed in the Balkans and that Milosevic gave the orders.


So Milosevic is insisting he MUST call 1500 witnesses. That will put off the verdict for years. In the meantime, his acolytes will claim it's SO unfair!


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Cueball
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posted 18 April 2004 10:12 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Which acolytes?
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posted 18 April 2004 10:16 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't be sensitive.
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Cueball
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posted 18 April 2004 10:21 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whom are these acolytes, though?
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jeff house
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posted 18 April 2004 10:28 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am not going to repeat everything I have written in other threads. Do a search for Milosevic, or Ramsay Clark, and you will find my arguments.

Basically, there are those who have adopted Milosevic as a stick to beat the US/NATO with, and will not deviate from their project no matter what the evidence.


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posted 18 April 2004 10:47 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well that does not make them acolytes now does it? That makes them manipulators, if you think that is what they are doing. I think they are questioning justice applied only against one group.

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Michelle
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posted 18 April 2004 10:49 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If one person gets away with murder, then everyone should! Is that the idea?
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Cueball
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posted 18 April 2004 10:50 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No its like, if you only arrest black people for murer then you can say the system is racist.
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swallow
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posted 18 April 2004 03:33 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh Cueball, that horse you're riding is dead. Stop flogging the poor thing.
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posted 18 April 2004 04:17 PM      Profile for praenomen3        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looking ahead, anyone who thinks that the Hague is the only legitimate forum to try Saddam (or eventually OBL), pay close attention to this story. You can expect a lot more the same, in spades.
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jeff house
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posted 18 April 2004 06:04 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone think this is the "only legitimate forum" for future trials? I don't. In fact, I would be surprised if the US gave Osama Bin Laden any trial other than one by themselves.

And I thought preparations were being made to try Saddam in Iraq.


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I believe that's the plan. I remember hearing a dark joke attributed to a member of the governing council to the effect of "June 30th, assume control. July 1st, hang Saddam."

My point was that at the time of his capture, there was a lot of chatter that only an international court would have the legitimacy to try Saddam, since Iraq's new legal systems would still be nascent. Given the example of the Milosevic trial, I'd say the job is best left to the Iraqis.


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posted 19 April 2004 12:00 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Oh Cueball, that horse you're riding is dead. Stop flogging the poor thing.

Its your horse I killed.

An BTW, I didn't start flogging it again until Jeff decided to yet again blanket smear, Clarke et. al as Milsovic's 'acolytes,' which is histrionic and inaccurate. It's akin to making those who defend someone his/her co-indictees. It is an especially unfair characterization given that the defence they are using are the same ones that the US would use if the Hague ever decided to indict Henry Kissinger for example.

They are in fact more or less the same ones used to save Pinochet from trial in Spain. It is the hypocrisy that is being challeged not the principal of law.

Its smacks of the attempts to shut down criticims of Israel by calling it antisemetism.

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