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rasmus
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posted 05 December 2004 05:45 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Andrew Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, the largest union in the AFL-CIO, has suggested the union might leave the federation if a sweeping change in strategy is not adopted:

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Eager to reverse labor's decline, Mr. Stern has called for a sweeping overhaul of the A.F.L.-C.I.O., proposing to cut its budget by more than 50 percent and to use the savings to vastly increase organizing by its member unions. And he has warned that the service employees, the largest union in the A.F.L.-C.I.O., may quit the labor federation unless it embraces far-reaching changes - changes that would have to be pushed through by the man who was his mentor, Mr. Sweeney, the president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O.


Between Sweeney and protege, debate over labor movement's direction


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posted 05 December 2004 06:56 PM      Profile for person     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
good, down with the afl-cio! all power to the locals!
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posted 05 December 2004 08:56 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The December Labor Notes editorial that overlaps on this.

And the SEIU home page with terrific pro-immigrant stuff on its front page!

The International Socialist Organizations's editorial: http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/521/521_15_AFLSplit.shtml

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posted 05 December 2004 08:56 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can read a lot more about the SEIU's plans, including the blog of Intl President Andy Stern, on the union's "Unite to Win" website:

http://www.unitetowin.org


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posted 05 December 2004 09:04 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It looks like pretty sharp strategic thinking.

The ISO editiorial points to the danger of an over centralization of labour leadership, but given its virtual absence or irrelevance, I think some would be better than none.

Edited to add: The Unite To Win programme seems very smart. I think Stern is asking some really good hard questions. Hopefully some serious debate will really begin.

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Labor Notes page of links on the New Unity Partnership.
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posted 10 December 2004 05:16 PM      Profile for Burns   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by person:
good, down with the afl-cio! all power to the locals!
Locals are often the biggest opponents of new organizing. A lot of local presidents resent having their dues spent on organizing workers who aren't paying dues.

That noted, I don't think Stern is calling for "more power to the locals" - he's calling for more organizing. He's begging organized labour to pull it's head out of it's collective ass and realize that without new organizing the labour movement will die in the US. US Labor leaders seem more pre-occupied with either protecting their sinecures or (at best) fighting to save industries that are high union density - that they don't notice (or don't care) that the labour movement is dying.

We need a similar kick in the ass up here in Canada. In a way, we're even more complacent because we've got a higher union density than the US. I never hated Buzz Hargrove more then when he led the CAW raid of SEIU using the argument "The SEIU spends way too much money organizing the unorganized - that may be necesary in the US but up here in Canada we don't need to worry."

The US labor movement could be at its watershed momment - the most significant one since John L Lewis led the split from the AFL to form the CIO. Let's hope Stern succeeds.

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posted 10 December 2004 05:54 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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He's begging organized labour to pull it's head out of it's collective ass and realize that without new organizing the labour movement will die in the US. US Labor leaders seem more pre-occupied with either protecting their sinecures or (at best) fighting to save industries that are high union density - that they don't notice (or don't care) that the labour movement is dying.

The problem as I see it is that for unions to organize, they need to offer something of value to new members. Right now, what they have to offer is the following: (1) a package of specific legal rights and procedures attached to "union membership," which are rapidly diminishing in value because they mostly come from the National Labour Relations Act, a 70 year old law that was once a really good thing, but has been totally gutted by judges and Republican labor board appointees. (2) The opportunity to pay union dues, which largely go towards staffers' salaries and filling the political warchest of the Democratic Party. I am not saying those staffers aren't good people who work hard. But as long as they dedicate most of their time to playing the legal game which is increasingly stacked against workers, they're not really accomplishing much. Likewise, I'm not saying the Democratic Party is a bad party, necessarily. But it's not a terribly useful thing to spend money on unless it is both willing and able to bring forward progressive changes to the legal structure that otherwise serves as little more than a legal trap.

I think if the U.S. union movement is going to survive, it needs to do a lot more than restructure its bureaucratic apparatus, it needs to redefine what "unions" and "union membership" are all about.

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I think Walmart workers (for example) will sign cards if they believe that their wages will go up, they'll get more hours, and they'll have some back-up when they tell the boss to go screw.

That comes from increasing density and having the collective strength to shut down an industry if they mess around. THAT will come from changing the bureaucratic structures - getting unions to focus on organizing and getting unions to stop honing in on each other's territory.


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Union resources spent on "raiding" is often wasteful, although I do believe it often has the benefit of improving the quality of representation available to workers who find themselves at the center of such turf wars.

I believe that Walmart workers would also be more likely to sign union cards if they knew that such an act wasn't likely to get them fired, nor that they would have to spend the next two years at the Board to try and get their job back plus a piddling back pay award (no punitive damages are available).

I think that increasing union density in core industries and acquiring the collective strength to shut those industries down if necessary would both be positive things. I think that requires more than throwing money at the problem, "staffing up" on college-educated union organizers to work on the campaign, or elbowing other unions out of the jurisdiction. I think we need to find a way to actively engage large numbers of rank and file workers, union and non, into a broad based class conscious movement. I see little in the SEIU's proposals that will actually engage those rank and file workers. Im not entirely sure what would do that, though.


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posted 10 December 2004 08:02 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Burns:

That comes from increasing density and having the collective strength to shut down an industry if they mess around.

But this points up once again the legal issue. Using collective strength in such a manner requires sector-wide strikes and/or secondary picketing. Them's illegal nowadays.
Unions can't flex their muscle more than a half inch in the US, maybe an inch in Canada, without breaking the law or some regulation.


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Are sector-wide strikes illegal per se, or is it simply that the contracts expire at different times and thus when one local goes on strike the other locals in the same sector are still bound by their contracts?
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Are sector-wide strikes illegal per se, or is it simply that the contracts expire at different times and thus when one local goes on strike the other locals in the same sector are still bound by their contracts?

Basically labour relations laws in both the U.S. and Canada are modelled on the U.S. Wagner Act of I believe 1938 with minor variations (such as the anti-scab law in Quebec).

The only time a union is legally allowed to strike is when a collective agreement has expired (and after a concilliation/mediation process has collapsed).

It was one of those historic compromises. Unions gained formal legal recognition, a formal "certification process", grievance/arbitration processes etc. In return, they had to give up the legal right to strike in all but the narrowest of circumstances.

If an employer violates a collective agreement, a union can't strike over it. That would be illegal in our system. Instead they've got to file a grievance and go through the arbitration process which often can take months or years.

Prior to the formal certification process, unions used to engage in "recognition strikes". They'd sign members up into the union, present themselves to the employer and if the employer wouldn't negotiate everyone would just walk off the job.

In the "old" system on the one hand the union was much closer to the members, but had no legal protection. In the current system there are some legal protections but alot of members start looking at their union the same way they look at an insurance company. They pay "premiums" so the union can "magically" protect them from the employer.

Members have become demobilized in this highly legalistic system.

In the U.S. where I understand labour relations law is all federal, the Republicans since Reagan have stacked the NLRB with Republican appointees.

In Canada, the tradition is a little different. The various provincial labour relations boards are supposed to be "tripartite" so that there are representatives of business, labour and government. So its a little harder for governments to "stack the deck" with anti-labour people who issue anti-labour judgements.

So in the U.S. you have the worst of both worlds in having an NLRB that doesn't protect the basic rights of unions and union members along with unions having given up their rights to strike outside of the expiry of a collective agreement.

Now getting back to your original question Mike, what some unions are attempting to do is to line up all of their collective agreements in certain sectors with common expiry dates. So that rather than having one little strike here and one little strike there, everyone is out on strike at the same time.

Of course this is much easier said than done. Just because a union wants a series of collective agreements all to expire at the same time doesn't mean that employers will agree to it. Employers aren't stupid. They know whats in their interests and will fight it tooth and nail. There are unions in Canada that have been trying to do stuff like this for a decade or more with limited success. Its even tougher in multi-union or multi-bargaining unit workplaces.

Then you get into very strange politics if one union or bargaining unit settles and another holds out for more.

That's another consequence of our North American labour relations system. Its setup to fragment the power of unions in dealing with employers.

Its much different in many European countries which have more centralized collective bargaining systems where you have one collective agreement that covers an entire industry or group of industries. They have a "general strike" it lasts no more than a week or two and then everything is settled. They don't have small isolated strikes that drag on for months and sometimes years.

Not to say Europe is perfect either. When you have a highly centralized system, that also creates bureaucratic problems too.


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posted 17 December 2004 04:22 PM      Profile for Burns   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
But this points up once again the legal issue. Using collective strength in such a manner requires sector-wide strikes and/or secondary picketing. Them's illegal nowadays.
Unions can't flex their muscle more than a half inch in the US, maybe an inch in Canada, without breaking the law or some regulation.

Well unions can break the law - it is how most of the labour gains were made in the first place.

But this article about HERE President John Wilhelm and others notes some interesting ways in which collective strength can work without breaking "the law":

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HERE then sent him to Las Vegas, where, over a 15-year period, he organized virtually every hotel on the Strip, increasing the size of the local union from 10,000 members to 60,000. Part of his formula was forging a militant local-during a nearly seven-year strike at the Frontier Hotel, not a single one of the several hundred striking union members crossed the picket line. But he also persuaded union members at hotels already under contract to make concessions on things like work rules in return for winning the right to organize workers at new hotels under the same ownership. In other words, he taught his members the meaning of market share-if all the hotels were unionized, they could win much better contracts. And they did: Much of the huge housing boom in Las Vegas is the direct result of the fact that Vegas is the only American city where such service sector workers as hotel chambermaids can afford to buy homes.

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