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redneck leftie
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posted 28 October 2005 11:05 PM      Profile for redneck leftie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi all,
I was looking around for some property in Ontario for next summer. Summer of 2005 was purely putrified with Smog, hated it. Came across Nanticoke having to close down its coal fired plant cos of what Prov. McDinky said. So thought great, another goal plant shut down. Until I realized what it meant for the folks of Nanticoke. Very bad for them. Especially since their smog doesn't even get into S. Ontario anyway, but flys east and north. http://tinyurl.com/8fjta

So then continued looking for a spot, away from the angry Nanticoke. Then I saw Bush said Clean Air Act can be scrubbed for the sake of energy for Americans in the Ohio Valley:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2005/05/clean_coal.html

so then I thought omg, S. Ontario next summer is going to be six times worse than it was this summer. That sent me further north where I did find a place where they supply their own energy thru wind. And that was fine. Except I can't understand how come nobody is freaking angry about what the air quality is going to be for S. Ont., next summer and all places east, (Quebec). In fact I can't find a word about it. So if anybody knows if people are angry and prostesting, pls. let me know. What's worse is poor Nanticoke is shut down and for no reason that I can see. Pls. let me know what I'm missing here.

[ 30 October 2005: Message edited by: robbie_dee ]


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cogito ergo sum
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posted 29 October 2005 02:29 AM      Profile for cogito ergo sum     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Right off the bat, I'd say that you're missing the point that all pollution is bad, not just pollution that ends up in Southern Ontario.
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posted 29 October 2005 05:04 AM      Profile for Not Enough Time     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, not ALL pollution is bad. Wind turbines create noise pollution, the manufacture of solar panels creates pollution, etc. If what you meant to say was that all SMOG is bad, OK fine.
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posted 29 October 2005 11:07 AM      Profile for redneck leftie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes of course all SMOG is bad, its killing people.

When I was up in Atikokan and their coal fired plant was closed this summer, there was alot of sour faces over the economy. They have since gotten over it and are planning a blitz for tourism, afterall it is the canoeing capital of Ontario.

What I am confused about is what good is it going to do for smog filled S and Central Ontario, when we get our air directly from Ohio? And they are firing theirs up. We will have MORE smog, not less, just because of that, whether or not every coal fired plant is closed in Ontario. It just won't matter. The smog will already be here, thicker, before Ontarians say Why is this happening? Haven't all the coal fired plants been closed? Why isn't the prov. gov't telling Ontarians the truth about the reality of what our air quality is going to be by summer 2006? There seems to be a disconnect with U.S. and Canada.


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posted 30 October 2005 12:03 AM      Profile for redneck leftie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There seems to be a disconnect here as well. Okay, I warned you buddies. Get ready to wear a Mask out and about and not just becuase of the recent scare of the Flu.
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posted 30 October 2005 10:53 AM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope you don't mind, rl, but I edited your topic header to include a reference to the actual subject of your post. That will make it easier for people interested in your subject matter to find this thread and comment.
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posted 31 October 2005 11:47 PM      Profile for redneck leftie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No I don't mind whatsoever. I'm wondering if I should plonk money down in Ontario at all. Perhaps I should find a place a little bit west to avoid the smog. I'll keep looking and I'll keep trying to find out the best place to retire. I would have thought Ontarians would be alot more interested in the state of their air though. Or should I say, the coming state of the air.
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posted 01 November 2005 02:03 AM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by redneck leftie:
I'll keep looking and I'll keep trying to find out the best place to retire.

Victoria. I thought everybody knew. It's, like, retirement central--lovely climate, city amenities, townish feel, that kind of stuff.


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posted 01 November 2005 09:47 PM      Profile for redneck leftie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am not looking for retirement central Rufus.
Besides, I went to UVic and apparently some reputation lingers on. And there are grand children to consider.

Look, this is the first time I am buying my own house/land ever. All the others were in partnerships and I was one of those people that signed everything over just for it to be over.

Found a magnificient site http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/

I never would have figured Cornwall had the best air quality of the last 2 years.

Have you ever asked an innocent question on 50+. Holy shit, they are positively rabid with hate. I will never go in there again, it's scary. I thought 50+ meant tolerance, balance, openness.
At least it helped me to know I never want to live in a retirement community, they're nuts.


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posted 02 November 2005 12:18 AM      Profile for Banjo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by redneck leftie:
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Have you ever asked an innocent question on 50+. Holy shit, they are positively rabid with hate. I will never go in there again, it's scary. I thought 50+ meant tolerance, balance, openness.
At least it helped me to know I never want to live in a retirement community, they're nuts.

I think in the forseeable future we in southern Ontario are screwed for air quality. The only hope is to move to the west.

(Sorry for the thread drift, but I have participated in 50+ for years. (under a different nickname.) Like everywhere on the net, the most timid people find the courage to be insulting when they can be anonymous. They have huge fights between left and right. Here we seem to have equally rancorous fights just within the left.


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posted 02 November 2005 07:29 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quote: (Sorry for the thread drift, but I have participated in 50+ for years. (under a different nickname.)

Is this a reference to the magazine/website/lobby group 'Fifty Plus'?


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posted 02 November 2005 08:09 AM      Profile for Banjo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's this online forum 50+, but I looked there and couldn't find the discussion referred to.
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posted 02 November 2005 09:20 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was on that forum (50plus) a few years ago, but there was too much advertising and pages were slow to download, so I left. It looks better now, though.
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posted 02 November 2005 11:37 AM      Profile for redneck leftie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Banjo, I never got to ask my question there. I simply read and read and read and was getting more agitated with what was there. So rude. So just didn't ask.

But in the site I found above, I simply rounded it out to 4 places that have relatively decent air quality thru the summer months. I'm planning some road trips to visit, over the lakehead.

If you know of any other sites let me know.


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posted 02 November 2005 04:38 PM      Profile for Banjo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
RL, sorry I don't know of other sites. On that 50+ plus site I found that the non -political forums are much more civil. So there may be some help about air quality on the "Environment" or the "Where to retire" topics.(even if you aren't retiring now).

I found though that the quality of information and expression is not as good at 50+ as it is here. I used to write my sloppy prose and poor research there, and barely worry about being judged as deficient.

Here it's not just BS to say that there is a higher (more academic?) standard to live up to. (Well among some of the posters anyway.)


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