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remind
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posted 01 March 2007 12:26 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
We already know about her suggestion that the President could just ignore whatever Congressional Democrats do about Iraq.

Just ignore Congress.

On the Sunday Morning Interview Show of Broken-Record on Fox, Dr. Rice spoke a paragraph, which if it had been included in a remedial history paper at the weakest high school in the nation, would've gotten the writer an "F" - maybe an expulsion.

If Congress were now to revise the Iraq authorization, she said, out loud, with an adult present, "…It would be like saying that after Adolf Hitler was overthrown, we needed to change then, the resolution that allowed the United States to do that, so that we could deal with creating a stable environment in Europe after he was overthrown."

Invoking the German dictator who subjugated Europe; who tried to exterminate the Jews; who sought to overtake the world — is not just in the poorest of taste but in its hyperbole, it insults not merely the victims of the Third Reich, but those in this country who fought it. And defeated it.

Saddam Hussein was not Adolf Hitler.

And, please, Madame Secretary, if you are going to make that most implausible, subjective, dubious, ridiculous comparison…

If you want to be as far off the mark about the Second World War as, say, the pathetic Holocaust-denier from Iran, Ahmadinejad…

At least get the easily verifiable facts right — the facts whose home through history lie in your own department.

"The resolution that allowed the United States to" overthrow Hitler?

On the 11th of December, 1941, at 8 o'clock in the morning, two of Hitler's diplomats walked up to the State Department — your office, Secretary Rice — and ninety minutes later they were handing a declaration of war to the Chief of the Department's European Division. The Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor four days earlier and the Germans simply piled on.

Your predecessors, Dr. Rice, didn't spend a year making up phony evidence and mistaking German balloon-inflating trucks for mobile germ warfare labs.

They didn't pretend the world was ending because a tin-pot tyrant couldn't hand over the chemical weapons, it turned out he'd destroyed a decade earlier.

The Germans walked up to the front door of our State Department and said "we're at war."

It was in all the papers!

And when that war ended, more than three horrible years later, our troops, and the Russians, were in Berlin. And we stayed, as an occupying force, well in the 1950's.

As an occupying force, Madam Secretary!

If you want to compare what we did to Hitler and in Germany, to what we did to Saddam and in Iraq, I'm afraid you're going to have to buy the whole analogy.

We were an occupying force in Germany, Dr. Rice, and by your logic, we're now an occupying force in Iraq.

And if that's the way you see it, you damn well better come out and tell the American people so. (Save your breath telling it to the Iraqis — most of them already buy that part of the comparison).

"It would be like saying that after Adolf Hitler was overthrown, we needed to change then, the resolution that allowed the United States to do that, so that we could deal with creating a stable environment in Europe after he was overthrown." We already have a subjectively false comparison between Hitler and Saddam.

We already have a historically false comparison between Germany and Iraq.

We already have blissful ignorance by our Secretary of State about how this country got into the war against Hitler.

But then there's this part about changing "the resolution" about Iraq, that it would be as ridiculous in the Secretary's eyes, as saying that after Hitler was defeated, we needed to go back to Congress to "deal with creating a stable environment in Europe after he was overthrown."

Oh, good grief, Secretary Rice, that's exactly what we did do!

We went back to Congress to deal with creating a stable environment in Europe after Hitler was overthrown!

It was called the Marshall Plan.


You can't keep the facts that fit your prejudices, and throw out the ones that destroy your theories


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posted 01 March 2007 08:10 AM      Profile for Toby Fourre        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rice probably does know better. Her job requires that she spin. This administration does not want their real motives up for discussion. Thus, they lie.
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posted 01 March 2007 05:28 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Russia defeated Germany. Rice should have used Hirohito as her bogeyman, not Hitler.
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posted 01 March 2007 05:39 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She means the resolution, as in "resolve," not resolution as in a resolution passed by congress.
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posted 01 March 2007 06:23 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, maybe she didn't.
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posted 01 March 2007 06:28 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This idiot Kieth calls Amedinejad, Akmedinejad. They are all idiots.
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posted 01 March 2007 06:37 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think I despise American liberals more than the fascists. At least the fascists are honest about their supremecist ideology.
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posted 01 March 2007 06:42 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rice is right, in anycase, as Roosevelt put a resolution before congress authorizing war:

We are doomed to the tyrrany of stupid blowhards

quote:

The War Resolution
Declaring that a state of war exists between the Government of Germany and the government and the people of the United States and making provision to prosecute the same.

Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the government and the people of the United States of America:

Therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States

Therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States


Anyone who thinks Rice is an idiot, is one themselves. She is sleezy and duplcitous, something which is aided greatly by her intelligence and obvious facility with language.

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posted 01 March 2007 08:08 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
This idiot Kieth calls Amedinejad, Akmedinejad. They are all idiots.


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posted 01 March 2007 08:16 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I posted that information about the war resolution on Crooks and Liars in the comments section. No one has comented since. See, these Americans have no staying power, at least Stockholm would have given me a long drawn out and tedious arguement.
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posted 01 March 2007 08:58 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
I posted that information about the war resolution on Crooks and Liars in the comments section. No one has comented since. See, these Americans have no staying power, at least Stockholm would have given me a long drawn out and tedious arguement.

I was going to go on a rant there about the overt sexism the putz's commentary. Though no fan of Condi's, her intellect has never been in question. So, it smacked to me of the little woman who got above herself, and should go back to her playing around kinda comentary. And under estiminating Condi's abilities, is a serious mistake.

Then I figured they wouldn't get it, why bother, had a glass of wine and went to bed.

But more interesting, to me today, is that no one here appears to feel it was misogynistic and sexist, as I was frothing, with the whole "with an adult present" commentary. And am surprised with it going in the direction her use correct/incorrect use of "resolution" Which, I had actually not really gotten into thinking about, other than her comparing Iraq to Germany.

Ack, one never knows what another is going to see in any given commentary.


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posted 01 March 2007 09:14 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For my part the sexism thing really just rolls over me in the mainstream media. I suppose it shouldn't, but it does and I expect it. Around here I expect a little more.

My pet peeve of late in the mainstream media is the coverage of Britney Spears. I find it really disturbing how the common wisdom is that she must be crazy as soon as she takes even a teenie-tiny step away from being a professional MTV Sex Clown, and part time vocalist.

She shaved her head... so what?


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posted 01 March 2007 09:27 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Britney shaved her head? Oh, ala Demi Moore getting her balls.

Actually, I used to let the sexism roll over me, but I find I am growing more and more disgruntled about it. Do not know if it is increasing in noise, and frequency, or whether I am hyper sensitive about it.


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posted 01 March 2007 09:30 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

[ 01 March 2007: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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posted 01 March 2007 09:39 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Amazing, guess living with 4 channels plus TSN, in no where, with no tabloids in the stores saved me from the horrifying news.
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