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kyall glennie
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posted 11 February 2005 10:47 PM      Profile for kyall glennie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
so, if you were a British citizen, would you vote for Labour, based on these policy planks:

quote:
· Your family better off: low inflation, and mortgages as low as possible, more people off benefit and into work, a rising minimum wage and more help for first time buyers.

· Your child achieving more: modern schools for all, strong discipline, and a guaranteed place in training, sixth-form or an apprenticeship.

· Your children with the best start: more choice over parental leave for mums and dads, more childcare for under-5s, and after school care for over-5s.

· Your family treated better and faster: no-one waiting more than 18 weeks, guaranteed, for hospital treatment - with choice over where and when - in an NHS free at the point of need.

· Your community safer: local policing teams, cracking down on graffiti, gangs and drug-dealers.

· Your country's borders protected: ID cards and strict controls that work to combat asylum abuse and illegal immigration.


These aren't extensively different from what the NDP has offered in Canada, given obvious national context.

So? Would you support Labour, given Tony Blair is a warmonger in the same league as George Dubya and obviously to the right of most on this board?


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Doug
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posted 12 February 2005 12:28 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would really depend on the local candidate, because there are some very good Labour MPs who are worth supporting, but, say, if I had an MP who was a real Blairite I'd vote Liberal Democrat for sure.
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aRoused
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posted 12 February 2005 08:52 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Plus, they're policy planks. I for one don't expect Labour to be able to deliver most, if not all, of them.
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kuri
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posted 12 February 2005 09:17 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I were a citizen here, I would not be voting Labour for the following reasons:

a) I really feel they take their left-wing vote for granted, they seem to feel that everyone should vote for them just to stop the Tories from ever regaining power. (This is only anecdotal, and I've only lived in the UK since September (and for 1 year beforehand in 2001/2002) but I get that impression from Labour's publicity and speeches.

b) Labour has engaged in a bidding war with the Tories to "out-tough" one another on asylum, making huge claims about "controlling immigration". Independent article on how Labour gives into racist Tory rhetoric By engaging on the issue of immigration (which is really asylum because regular, net immigration to the UK is pretty low), both the Tories and Labour are fuelling the fire of the BNP and other racist groups by making their racism appear mainstream.

c) Labour has been on the forefront of trying to introduce biometric I.D. cards. I cringe at this invasion of privacy. It is, I realize, in part an emotional reaction, and I know France and Germany have mandatory I.D. cards, but the idea just scares me and I don't feel they've really proven the need for it. I don't want them in Canada, and I don't want them in any jurisdiction that doesn't have a history of using them, because I fear the changes they could bring to policing and other state monitoring.

I'd likely give the Liberal Democrats a chance if I could vote here, even though I don't know all that much about them, or, if I were to find out something odious about the Lib Dems, then to the Socialists as a protest.

Edited, as always, because I can't write and make sense without editing.

[ 12 February 2005: Message edited by: dokidoki ]


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Hephaestion
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posted 12 February 2005 09:45 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good gawd! Is Glenda Jackson still a Labour MP? I always liked her...

As to the incipient racism toward immigrants/asylum seekers, I am reminded of this quote I ran across a couple of years ago. It seems pertinant...

quote:

Most MPs think pluralism is a miner’s disease.
— British Labour MP Graham Allen, in 2002


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aRoused
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posted 12 February 2005 09:51 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're correct on point a), dokidoki (2.5 years in country--oh man, I sound like some kind of 'Nam vet..). Blair has gone well away from Labour's roots as, well, as a LABOUR party, but they still seem to expect the trade unionists to vote for them by reflex.
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robbie_dee
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posted 12 February 2005 10:46 AM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I lived in Scotland I would vote for these guys:

Scottish Socialist Party.


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kuri
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posted 12 February 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was under the impression they only send representatives to Scottish Parliament (Holyrood), but not Westminister. But it could be that they've only been successful at sending reps to Holyrood thus far.
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josh
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posted 12 February 2005 10:56 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unless the MP has sworn off the "new" Labour philosophy, I'd probably vote for the Liberal Democrats. Not only is Blairism a watered down version of Thatchterism, his support for Bush's war creates a morally compelling reason for ousting the party that continues to support him as leader. Even at the price of a Conservative victory. I don't see a great deal of difference between "new" Labour and the Conservatives.
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posted 12 February 2005 10:57 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Until the British Labour Party musters the brains and energy to eject the leader who has disgraced his country and the world's oldest parliament, I would not vote for Labour.

If the result of en masse rejection or non-voting of Labourites meant a Tory election, that Tory government would have no real legitimacy and all forms of protest and etc. would be justified.

okay, not "all" but you get the picture.


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aRoused
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posted 12 February 2005 11:06 AM      Profile for aRoused     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Urgh, the Tories may not look much different from Labour, but up close and personal they also don't look much different from UKIP or the BNP, and that's not a good thing, not a good thing at all.

I expect there'll be a *lot* of people holding their noses and voting Labour this time around. I doubt Howard's Tories will get in, even with the current fervent media shitstorm over asylum seekers (shock, horror), and the Lib Dems haven't a chance, as usual.


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Briguy
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posted 14 February 2005 09:01 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It depends on the candidate. I would vote for Robin Cook and his ilk within Labour in a heartbeat. If my district was held by Blair or another Labour poseur, I'd probably vote Liberal Democrat.
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