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spatrioter
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posted 08 April 2004 01:49 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was recently contacted by a potential employer who said he is willing to give me a job offer, but that the RCMP criminal check came back saying that they need my fingerprints. I have heard that they do this often when names are similar to those of people they have on file. I figure this has to be the explanation, since I have never had a brush with the authorities.

The worrisome thing is, this is a contract position for the summer. But the fingerprinting process can take over 100 days, I was told - so I booked a day off work next week to go get it done in Toronto. I won't be given a job offer until this process is completed.

Has anyone else gone through a situation like this? How long can I expect to wait for the process to be completed? How long will the typical employer wait before they move on to the next candidate?

[ 08 April 2004: Message edited by: spatrioter ]


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Polunatic
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posted 08 April 2004 03:08 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't know the process but providing your prints to FBI is undoubtedly part of it.
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BLAKE 3:16
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posted 08 April 2004 04:14 PM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Could I ask what the job in a general sense? Don't tell us the exact position or employer, there's no sense jeopardizing your potential employment.

Depending on your employer and other variables, you might not need to worry too much. Some employers just want you to agree to check, without actually paying attention to the results.


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Nam
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posted 08 April 2004 04:25 PM      Profile for Nam     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would be cautious about providing your fingerprints for anything. I have concerns about privacy issues, and how far those issues are being extended. Do you have a privacy commissioner in your province? Are you worried about your very permanent identification now being in the hands of organizations and people who may not respect your rights? Just asking.
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Bacchus
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posted 08 April 2004 06:29 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nam,

All provinces and territories are now covered by PIPEDA which is Canada's new privacy act which outlines what can and cannot be done with a individuals info. It took effect Jan 1 for everyone and is comparable to the European directive


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Pimji
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posted 08 April 2004 10:38 PM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It costs $20.00 to get the prints done and another $25 to get a criminal records check with the RCMP. That takes a while no less than 100 days. If the prints are slightly smudged then the process begins again, but you won't have to pay the 2nd time around.

[Facetious tone] Canadians could go through this process by default. We would then have our past at the ready when employers or other authority figures ask.[/Facetious tone]
The RCMP already has a Truth Verification Section which Sounds kinda creepy to me.


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redshift
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posted 08 April 2004 11:05 PM      Profile for redshift     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
in B.C we have our personal info handled by the same sub-contractor as the CIA and FBI . how much better can it get. you'll be cutting lawns at the white house next.
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Agent 204
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posted 08 April 2004 11:46 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Somehow I don't think most babblers would get the necessary security clearance to mow the White House lawn.
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Woodsman
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posted 08 April 2004 11:53 PM      Profile for Woodsman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While I worked at a government agency, I had my prints taken and a background check was done. It took a little over 9 months for me to receive 'RCMP Enhanced Reliability Clearance'. This clearance lasts for 5 years, I believe. As a teen, I wasn't a saint and did have a police record. This was over 20 years ago and upon my receipt of clearance, the RCMP sent me information on how to apply for a pardon.
While I was waiting for clearance, I was allowed to perform my duties.

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Privateer
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posted 11 April 2004 11:48 AM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had to get cleared by a criminal record check to work at a bank. They were only concerned specifically with money-related crimes. So if I had killed someone, and it had nothing to do with money, I would pass. But if I was ever caught shoplifting, forget it. I might be exaggerating, but you get the idea.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 11 April 2004 11:57 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wouldn't have a problem giving my finger prints.

'Cause if I ever decide to lead a life of crime, I'll wear gloves.


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HalfAnHourLater
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posted 11 April 2004 03:22 PM      Profile for HalfAnHourLater     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
I wouldn't have a problem giving my finger prints.

'Cause if I ever decide to lead a life of crime, I'll wear gloves.


I don't think the problem is when you've leda life of crime, cause you'd have to be an idiot to volunteer your fingerprints for a job check when you're a wanted criminal... The issue, as I see it, arises in more complicated circumstances, misstaken identity, framing,etc. I don't see any reason why any institution or employer should have the right to ask for my or anyone else's fingerprints. It's none of their business and an invasion of privacy. And besides, you'd be eligible for America's dumbest criminals, if you volunteer your fingerprints when you've got a known record... so the system is basically criminalising your average citizen. No to background checks, and no to fingerprinting, or biometrics of any sort.

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spatrioter
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posted 11 April 2004 08:45 PM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BLAKE 3:16:
Could I ask what the job in a general sense? Don't tell us the exact position or employer, there's no sense jeopardizing your potential employment.

Well, hopefully this isn't too specific. It's working in an employment centre.

quote:
Depending on your employer and other variables, you might not need to worry too much. Some employers just want you to agree to check, without actually paying attention to the results.

Hopefully that will be the case.

quote:
Originally posted by Nam:
Are you worried about your very permanent identification now being in the hands of organizations and people who may not respect your rights?

Personally, I am very uncomfortable with the idea of anyone taking my fingerprints when I have not been charged with anything -- even if they promise to destroy them afterwards. However, when it comes down to it, I'm willing to sacrifice my principles for a good job. I know. I'm a fairweather lefty.

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Ranger03
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posted 16 April 2004 03:19 PM      Profile for Ranger03        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have had multiple security checks and oddly enough finger printing. "Sorry sir we have misplaced your prints". I do not think them capable enough to file them let alone share them and just who at the CIA would look at them
Who checked theseMaroons

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spatrioter
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posted 20 July 2004 12:25 AM      Profile for spatrioter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An update. I just received a letter at my permanent address today, informing me that they completed my criminal check. And surprisingly, I'm not a child molesting serial killer. Bad news is, the employer went onto the next candidate because they couldn't wait four months for the check to be processed.

Thank you RCMP!


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