IRAN: WOMAN 'TO BE STONED' ON THURSDAY

Tehran, 20 June (AKI) - Makrameh Ebrahimi on Thursday will be stoned to death in a square in front of the cemetery of Takestan, in Ghazvin province some 100 km from Tehran, for having had a child out of wedlock 11 years ago, women's rights groups in Iran said. The Islamic Republic denies issuing stoning death sentences and carrying them out. Thursday's is the first death sentence by stoning to be publicly announced and rights groups say the population has been invited to participate and throw stones.

It is reportedly unclear how many stoning sentences have been issued and carried out in Iran since reports of a moratorium by the judiciary emerged in 2002.

The Iranian criminal code states that when stoning is carried out for offences such as adultery the stones should not be too large because "the punishment of stoning is designed to cause the victim great pain before death".

In Iran, the convicted person to be killed is wrapped in a sheet and partly buried. Male convicts are buried from the waist down, while women are buried deeper to prevent the breasts from becoming exposed.

Just think how much better things would be if capitalism did not breed so much reactionary outlooks on life...

this religious backwardness is a direct result of peoples confusion ... Sending in the UN would be useless...

Now, the question I have is how exactly does this type of monstrous "holy" act right out of the feudal Dark Ages differ from the murderous and torturous satanic cult rituals that go on out there?

Here's Amnesty International with a run-down on Iran.

In addition to being in the top three for overall executions, the Iranian ruling corporate fascistic regime/religious-theocratic elite is the leader specifically in child executions and brutal murder-by-torture, like stoning--and not for violent crime either.

In a way, these murderous morons are their own worst enemy, as this just adds more credibility to the equally murderous agenda of those rulers in the West who want to bomb/invade the country. Of course, in such an event, it won't be the ruling elite who suffers, but the working class people who have to always get stuck dealing with the fall-out.

Quite often brutality does walk hand in hand with stupidity.

Do you have a link to this news article?

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Michelle:Are Iranian feminists calling for the UN to bring forth a military force to liberate them?

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I was under the distinct impression that all those NATO troops, including thousands of Canadian troops, once they finish "liberating" Afghan women and bringing "freedom" to Afghanistan will be available to "liberate" Iranian women next door by carpet bombing their country and indiscriminately killing civilians as well.

No word yet on whether some offspring of the Shah will be available to "invite" the NATO troops to Iran.

Re: the stoning ....

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The Islamic Republic denies issuing stoning death sentences and carrying them out. Thursday's is the first death sentence by stoning to be publicly announced and rights groups say the population has been invited to participate and throw stones.

It is reportedly unclear how many stoning sentences have been issued and carried out in Iran since reports of a moratorium by the judiciary emerged in 2002.

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Most of the online information note the high number of executions in Iran, right up there with the US but not as high as China; however it's clear that death by stoning is a rarity.

The quote is from an Italian/English/Arabic business website "adn kronos international". It does not identify who funds the website or the source of information about the stoning other than unspecified women's rights groups.

[ 22 June 2007: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]

But instead of going there, we could all just agree religious and ideological fundamentalism sucks and should be fought no matter the origin.

[ 22 June 2007: Message edited by: Frustrated Mess ]

A visit to the Fatah torture chamber.

It's good to see that Fatah was making such good use of the generous funds from the US, Canada, and Israel. That's much better than the gold plated bathroom fixtures pointed out by Robert Fisk.

[ 22 June 2007: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]

Really, I find it disturbingly ugly hate mongering, of the type that does not belong here and which one would find elsewhere on line, in other forums controlled by the right wing whack jobs.

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remind: Really what is the point of this thread?

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Starting a thread by proposing the invasion of a sovereign state over a single, horrific execution isn't all that different from supporting another state in carrying out ethnic cleansing and justifying it by reference to other, no less horrific but trivial in comparison, rocket and suicide attacks, etc. It's just more of the same on a larger scale.

Clearly, Stockholm supports the "War on Terror" and the foreign policies of US imperialism in general. However, such views are welcome on babble because we have no anti-imperialist guidelines like the ones we have for racist, misogynist, homophobic or poor-bashing vomit. Stockholm will continue to spout this crap because he can.

[ 22 June 2007: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]

This is supposed to be a leftwing progressive board and EVERYTHING that the Government of Iran represents is anathema to anything progressive. That is, unless you can find some weird way of finding some leftwing justification for a a 13th century theocracy that brutally executes people on the slightest pretext and where domestic economic policies have no trace whatsoever of socialism.

I would have thought that it was a "no brainer" that if you are "progressive" you condemn women getting stoned to death for getting pregnant outside of wedlock.

Instead people react as if I shouldn't be "embarrasing" Iran by exposing the horrors that occur there. If the Government wants to stop being embarrassed in the eyes of progressive, humane people the world over, there is a simple way to so. STOP THESE ATROCITIES IMMEDIATELY.

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Are Iranian feminists calling for the UN to bring forth a military force to liberate them?

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Oh great! Talk about putting out fire with gasoline!

The feminists call for military intervention is exactly the excuse guess-who would need to send in the air force and start carpet-bombing.

Then comes the invasion and occupation.

Then comes the parceling out of assets to corporations and bureaucracies because at least they don't stone people for getting pregnant, etc.

Is Stockholm a pro-feminist? Sincere in his concern about the status of women? Pro-feminists and people concerned about the status of women do not use sexist language and do not refer to women as "bitches":

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Then 80% of CPC members would be saddled with a leader who is a rich-bitch from Toronto who wears lots of jewellery, hobnobs with the likes of Bill Clinton at Gstaad and supports gay marriage! -Stockholm, posted 20 January 2004 04:24 PM

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ETA: "And supports gay marriage", said Stockholm.
Horror of horrors !! N'est-ce-pas,
Stockholm the "progressive" ?

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Do you really think people are so stoo-pid not to notice that your views are indistinguishable from the views of the rogue state in Washington?

[ 22 June 2007: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]

If any women are under death sentence in Saudi Arabia, then there ought to be a commando mission launched to free them as well before they get beheaded in a public execution.

And why is support of gay marriage a negative thing ?

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
Would that include the Canadian woman that Ahmadinejad had tortured to death - just for his own entertainment?

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Commando raids are a delusion. Such actions disorganize international relations and cause more problems than they solve. They encourage other more horrific covert actions and terrorism as well. I thought we wanted to end terrorism and not provoke more of it.

I (of course) am 100% supportive of gay marriage (are you???). I was writing about how Belinda Stronach would likely be regarded by the rank and file members of the Conservative Party, if she had ever become leader of that party. Given that CPC members are largely former Reform Party/Canadian Alliance members and those people are known to have very retrograde views on social issues and probably hate Bill Clinton and "uppity women" in about equal measure - I think it is safe to say that a very large segment of the CPC membership would have freaked out if Stronach had become their leader - they might have even had to recreate the Reform party the very next morning.

Do you also agree that a commando should go rescue Palestinian children from Israel's barbarity. Here is the picture of Mohamed Dora.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2001/527/dora.jpg

Is this concern about women new to you who calls them "bitches" or a mere "talking point".

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Commando raids are a delusion.

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However, calling for an invasion of the country is stupid for sure.

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Is this concern about women new to you who calls them "bitches" or a mere "talking point".

Do you still see gay marriage as a no no ?

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
I was writing about how Belinda Stronach would likely be regarded by the rank and file members of the Conservative Party ...

What all this has to do with Iran stoning women to death is a mystery to me.

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What all this has to do with Iran stoning women to death is a mystery to me. -Stockholm

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
It just happens that, IMHO, presently "ground zero" in the global battle to give women and sexual minorities equal rights consists of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

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It just happens that, IMHO, presently "ground zero" in the global battle to give women and sexual minorities equal rights consists of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

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And that happens how? The US & Co. bombing the shit out of them, destroying their infrastructure, over-running them with tanks and troops, setting up bogus "elected" puppet regimes and looting whatever public assets they have and turning them over to mega-corporations with ties to the various governments involved--all while maintaining the less gender-specific forms of oppression like union-busting, no free press or independent judiciary, martial law conditions, etc.

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Stockholm: It worked well in Entebbe in 1976 - are you still smarting over that one?

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A new low, even for you. That raid killed a number of the hostages, many Ugandan soldiers having nothing to do with the hijacking (sentries, etc.), and at least one of the Israeli soldiers.

So you seen to be in favour of state terrorism, violations of sovereignty, etc. I don't see why non-state terrorism should be so objectionable to you or even why you'd make such a big deal about a single execution when 45 dead Ugandan soldiers, 3 dead hostages, and 1 dead Israeli soldier "worked so well" in Uganda.

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
It just happens that, IMHO, presently "ground zero" in the global battle to....

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WOW!!!

Stockholm fights oppression!!

Hit em one more time for freedom, Stocko!!

After all, it worked in Japan, didn't it?

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A new low, even for you. That raid killed a number of the hostages, many Ugandan soldiers having nothing to do with the hijacking (sentries, etc.), and at least one of the Israeli soldiers.

So you seen to be in favour of state terrorism, violations of sovereignty, etc. I don't see why non-state terrorism should be so objectionable to you or even why you'd make such a big deal about a single execution when 45 dead Ugandan soldiers, 3 dead hostages, and 1 dead Israeli soldier "worked so well" in Uganda.

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I guess you must think it was such a damn shame that Idi Amin didn't get to butcher all the hostages in that hijacking as I'm sure he was looking forward to doing.

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And that happens how? The US & Co. bombing the shit out of them, destroying their infrastructure, over-running them with tanks and troops, setting up bogus "elected" puppet regimes and looting whatever public assets they have and turning them over to mega-corporations with ties to the various governments involved

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Originally posted by bohajal:
Stockholm,

Do you also agree that a commando should go rescue Palestinian children from Israel's barbarity. Here is the picture of Mohamed Dora.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2001/527/dora.jpg

Is this concern about women new to you who calls them "bitches" or a mere "talking point".

Do you still see gay marriage as a no no ?

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So you seen to be in favour of state terrorism, violations of sovereignty, etc.

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I guess you must think it was such a damn shame that Idi Amin didn't get to butcher all the hostages in that hijacking as I'm sure he was looking forward to doing.

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So, how many dead commandos and Iranians would be OK for you to save the one prospective victim of stoning? You do remember why you started this thread, don't you?

Supplemental: I don't really have any objection to closing the thread, Michelle. I've tried to disentangle some of Stockholm's convoluted arguments, distractions, and so on, but we always seem to come back to a kind of calculus of atrocities in which certain lives are more valued than others, certain governments can do no wrong, and other regimes are simply a checklist of prospective targets.

Stockholm, just like the US (and Canadian) imperialist regime, seems to look at the world through a bomb sight.

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Actually, the real shame in that part of the world is that the one Arab leader who actually had even remotely progressive attitudes towards women was...Saddam Hussein.

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Sure, Stock. And we all know what a great guy he was.

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In retrospect, the western world should have embraced a secular leader like Saddam and encouraged the overthrow of the Saudi government and hope for it to be replaced by a secular government that would be to Mecca like what Italy is to the Vatican.

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Ah, that would have been so sweet.

The fact is if you know anything at all you know that those regimes were either put into power or backed up by the US/Corporate America machine to keep down their people and keep the oil flowing.

The only reason why Hussein went from being good guy to bad guy was because he stepped out of line and invaded Kuwait--another US-backed totalitarian regime that brutally suppresses freedoms and treats women like shit.

If you want to believe that the same situation that's happened in Afghanistan or Iraq--with ex-Taliban leaders and drug lord cutting their own deals with the military in order to stay in power as part of that new fraudulently "elected" autocratic regime that has done practically zip for democracy--won't happen in Iran if the US does invade, well, that's your choice.

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
I've been concerned about the status of women and of all sexual minorities for my entire adult life.

It just happens that, IMHO, presently "ground zero" in the global battle to give women and sexual minorities equal rights consists of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

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And you do that by... supporting the US and it's funding of the Al Qeada-linked Jundullah (Army of God) terroism and other destabilizing black ops in Iran.

I cannot believe you are gloating about violence, destruction, killing and maiming.

Stockholm: When I read the website of an anti-semite fellow from my native-country in which he was expressing some sort of satisfaction about "Nazis putting Jews in ovens", I caused that and two other successive sites of his. I also wrote to Ed Morgan (then CJC Director for the Quebec Region), to the embassy of my native-country (gave them his name and city of residence in that country) and to the Ministry of the Interior (public security).

When he got "home" for vacation, he was met at the airport and handcuffed.

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Originally posted by Michelle:

bohojal, this is off topic. If you want to complain about something Stockholm has written, do it in the thread where he wrote it. Don't drag it around the rest of the forum.

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Originally posted by N.Beltov:
You're simply an apologist for US imperialism and continuing Israeli atrocities, Stockholm. One dead Iranian is really irrelevant next to justifications for endless killing across the globe.

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