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Cueball
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posted 07 March 2006 04:53 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Video Report from Sky News purports to have video footage of Arab fighters in Bosnia, (includes beating of Serb prisoners, reported later shot.)

The Hiden Army

If find the relative media silence on this footage, in comparison to the general outcry which went up around the film footage of Serbs killing Bosniaks telling.


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swallow
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posted 07 March 2006 06:42 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Your inbox is full Cue. If you find any text reporting for those of us who don't have Windows Media player, i promise to read it.
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Cueball
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posted 07 March 2006 06:51 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No text sorry.

None of it is really that new. Most of it just confirmation of previous claims made by Bosnians Serbs. They came up with some official lists of foreign soldiers given Bsonian passports of some 1300. They claim 6000 fighters in total.

The usually hint of anti-muslim paranoia.

Most disturbing was the scene of the Arab fighter (Al Queda?) imploring his Bosnian allies to let him execute a small group of Serb prisoners. The actual execution is not shown in the clip used. The narrator says they show beheadings and torture.

There is also a shot of quite a large army of Arab fighters, as they are described in the clip, perhaps four or five hundred at a rally in a field. Izetbegovic is shown shaking hands with the recruits.

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posted 07 March 2006 07:29 PM      Profile for cogito ergo sum     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting and alarming. I agree with you, I wonder why this hasn't been picked up by more media outlets.
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Cueball
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posted 07 March 2006 07:56 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually I am not at all suprised or disturbed by this.

What bothers me is the manner in which the Serbian narrative of events has largely been dismissed, in favour of one which justifies the NATO intervention, the bombing of Yugoslavia, and the trial of local villians as war criminals, and the immunity of others connected with the British and US governments, even though it is clear that they directly supported people who committed large scale atrocities.

Look, one of the people who was a principle planner in the ethnic cleansing 200,000 Serbs from southern Croatia is now the Prime Minsiter of Kosovo.


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posted 08 March 2006 04:08 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Won't find me disagreeing with you, Cueball. I've always found it interesting that a rabidly right-wing government in Croatia in the early 1990s got the tacit support of the USA, which is just like the old South American situation of "right-wing dictators good, left-wing dictators bad."

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Erik Redburn
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posted 08 March 2006 07:53 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So what does this prove, that Bush was right to invade Afghanistan and Iraq because some foreign militants are and/or were operating there? -is right.
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posted 08 March 2006 08:11 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is the general drift of the bias of the piece, but that does not mean that essential elements of the piece, not the spin, indicate that a substantial part of the Serb narrative is actually true.

This shows onece again that the lopsided presentation for the case for the anti-Serb interventions in the Balkans are just as hypocritical as the present intervention in Afghanistan.

I assert that the support for these intervention on "humanitarian grounds" by large semgements of the left was based on lopsided presentations of the facts, and that the left allowed itself to be wooed into supporting the Balkan interventions and thereby helped set the legal precedents where the US coould fashion "coalitions of the willing" for the express purpose of enforcing UN resolutions, even though the UN did not authorize "use of force."

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posted 08 March 2006 08:51 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you're just saying that theres a pro-Western bias in the news, that may have affected the judgement of some on the left back then, then ya, I'd have to agree.

I've never argued myself that the Serbs were entirely guilty or that the Bosniaks, Croats etc were entirely innocent victims either. (except for the individuals who Were victimized) Or that the US and British didn't take intervene for their own purposes either; international politics always involves some degree of perceived national self-interest, from what I've seen of it. Just that the Serbian paramilitaries committed atrocities that should be recognised as such, and they can't just be explained away as acts of self defence either, which is what their ultra-nationalist partisans are trying to do.


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posted 08 March 2006 10:19 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree.

But what of this: Former leader of rebel Serbs in Croatia 'commits suicide' in prison

And we ask ourselves about the ICTY, and tis purpose.


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Erik Redburn
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posted 08 March 2006 10:58 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I'm not sure what to make of that piece of news, except that that particular bit of retribution should be considered another war crime. I don't know enough about that Ceku character to say much more, except I hope he loses.

It would be interesting to see if American and British authorities put pressure on the UN to accept his candidacy, even more interesting to see why.


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posted 08 March 2006 11:14 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think Condleeza Rice will be campaigning for economic sandtions.
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Erik Redburn
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posted 08 March 2006 11:35 PM      Profile for Erik Redburn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha. Not unless she discovers he has connections to Iranian arms dealers, no.
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Cueball
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posted 09 March 2006 03:58 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or say you're palestinian.

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