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al-Qa'bong
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posted 07 June 2003 02:06 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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To America, I say only a few words to it and its people. I swear by God, who has elevated the skies without pillars, neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it in Palestine, and not before all the infidel armies leave the land of Muhammad, peace by upon him.

From Bin Laden's statement in October, 2001

The US military is apparently going to pull out of Saudi Arabia, and appears to be sincere in attaining security for everyone in Palestine. Strange as it sounds, the US seems to be trying to comply with Bin Laden's stated goals.

Were the September 11 attacks therefore a political success for Al-Qaida?


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Freshie
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posted 07 June 2003 02:27 PM      Profile for Freshie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
bin laden also wanted to destroy the economy of the US also...something dubya is only too happy to help him accomplish!

bin laden is a murderous zealot IMHO...having a peaceful settlement in palestine and not propping up corrupt regimes abroad are worthy goals, i just don't think osama should or can take credit for it. even a devil can quote scripture to suit their purposes.


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beluga2
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posted 07 June 2003 04:26 PM      Profile for beluga2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, any "goodwill" that might have resulted from the US pullout from Saudi Arabia has been more than offset by the near-universal outrage in the region over the invasion of Iraq. As for "attaining security for everyone in Palestine", I'd say it's a bit early to be breaking out the bubbly just yet. There's plenty of time yet for this supposed "peace deal" to collapse into oblivion. I hope I'm proved wrong, but I'm not optimistic.

I don't think the Bushites are "complying" with bin Laden -- it's just that there's a kind of accidental confluence between their two separate agendas. Both sides want to see American forces rampaging throughout the region: Bush in order to enhance American interests and hegemony, bin Laden in order to generate outrage and hatred of the US. The two agendas tend to inadvertently buttress each other.


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posted 07 June 2003 07:39 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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In a country where the poor and old cannot afford health care,

in a country where the economy is falling apart,

in a country where 44 million people live on less than $12,000 dollars a year,

in a nation where 5 million people are homeless,

in a country where the entire media system is owned by only six media mega conglomerates,

in a nation with the highest crime rate, in a country with the world's largest prison population,

in a society where 60% of marriages end in divorce,

in a country where 25% of kids under 12 live in poverty,

in a country that cut 25 billion dollars out of veterans benefits to help pay for a new war,

in a country where the gulf between the rich and poor is growing everyday, in a nation that supports dictatorships in Saudi and Egypt,

in a country where the government is full of corruption,

in a country with the world's highest teen suicide and stress rates, and you're telling me our biggest problem is TERRORISM ?

BULLSHIT!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3694.htm



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Freshie
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posted 07 June 2003 08:27 PM      Profile for Freshie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
no, but it makes a handy diversion to keep people from being royally PO'd at their treatment!

its much easier to rip people off if you whip up a frenzy over some artifically created crisis, after all.


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DrConway
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posted 07 June 2003 08:31 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It's actually kind of depressing how easily distracted people are these days.
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Freshie
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posted 07 June 2003 10:05 PM      Profile for Freshie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
i am not sure if that is because we are all so weary and desperately want a diversion...or if there is so much information being tossed at us these days. or something else.

i think basic human thinking is the same, maybe a bit better given education and communication. there are lots who see through the sham being foisted on us with this manufactured war.


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Pimji
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posted 08 June 2003 01:48 AM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If Israel and the US want to counter Osama Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda they could try making a Palestinian state that the Palestinian people would actually want to live in.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 08 June 2003 08:25 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Our perspective is a bit skewed by the news, in terms of time. It's still too early to tell, but indications are of late that Al Queda is starting to operate again, at least in the Middle East, and that military gains that were made in Afghanistan might be as tenous as many of us suspected from the start.

A few hours after the trade towers attack, I took to the idea that what Al Queda wanted was to provoke an ill concieved U.S. military responce in the Middle East, which would radicalize the Islamic world.

Not having an ear to the ground on the Islamic "street", I have no way of knowing if that is indeed happening.

But, if my original hypothesis is true, then Al Queda is "winning" right now at least up to that point.


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