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Coyote
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posted 20 January 2007 04:09 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Haaretz:

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The head of the council of Israel's central Holocaust memorial on Saturday assailed Jewish settlers who harass Palestinians in a tinderbox West Bank city, saying the abuse recalled the anti-Semitism of pre-World War Two Europe.

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"It was not crematoria or pogroms that made our life in the diaspora bitter before they began to kill us, but persecution, harassment, stone-throwing, damage to livelihood, intimidation, spitting and scorn," Lapid said.

"I was afraid to go to school, because of the little anti-Semites who used to lay in ambush on the way and beat us up. How is that different from a Palestinian child in Hebron?"


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Lapid said while there was no comparing the Holocaust with Palestinian suffering from Israel's policies, this did not mean Israelis could not be culpable.

"It is inconceivable for the memory of Auschwitz to warrant ignoring the fact that there are Jews among us who behave today towards Palestinians just like German, Hungarian, Polish and other anti-Semites behaved towards Jews," he said.


I am glad that he was wise enough to state that he was NOT equating the Holocaust with the occupation and settler abuses of Palestinians - which is obvious hyperbole and a morally disgusting equation. But he is also right to draw the equation between how a racist ideology such as that perpetrated by the settler movement is not alone in isolation, but rather a manifestion of hate and dominance that runs through human history and culture, and must be opposed at every turn.


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posted 20 January 2007 05:08 PM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
Haaretz:

I am glad that he was wise enough to state that he was NOT equating the Holocaust with the occupation and settler abuses of Palestinians - which is obvious hyperbole and a morally disgusting equation. But he is also right to draw the equation between how a racist ideology such as that perpetrated by the settler movement is not alone in isolation, but rather a manifestion of hate and dominance that runs through human history and culture, and must be opposed at every turn.


Bravo! It's too bad failed to include the IDF and their checkpoints, etc. But it's a start.

This is a serious ethical position as it calls on our shared humanity - what is The Same in us. I oppose this to the false ethics of many in the "two-state solution" camp which are often based in the incommensurability of Arab and Jewish being, and on the incomparability of their experience of suffering.

[ 20 January 2007: Message edited by: B.L. Zeebub LLD ]


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posted 20 January 2007 05:12 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The context is the public stir caused by the release of a video with a Settler woman in Hebron abusing and attacking a Palestinian neighbour.
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posted 20 January 2007 05:16 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The video. The settler woman is calling the Palestinian a whore. This has caused a great deal of furore in Israel since its release.
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posted 20 January 2007 06:34 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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posted 20 January 2007 07:09 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have severe doubts about the veracity of that quote. I've read most of the prominent histories of the region and of Sharon himself, and I have never seen a quote of that kind attributed to him. Surely it would be more widely known if it were accurate. I did a google search of the quote, and could find nothing other than the same quote itself.
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posted 20 January 2007 08:06 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This Sharon quote hoax is utter anti-Semitic hatemongering. I find it incredible that anyone would post concocted crap of this nature. The word "Palestinian" didn't even exist in any Israeli's vernacular in 1956. Plus, the sites which exhibit this phoney quote are anti-Semitic sites.

What a horrendous diversion from the growing movement to condemn Israeli apartheid and occupation policies. Get rid of this please.


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posted 20 January 2007 09:19 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, agreed.
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posted 20 January 2007 10:22 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree also.
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posted 21 January 2007 11:03 AM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanx, FM.
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posted 22 January 2007 08:01 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Back on topic.

Tommy Lapid in the Jeruslalem Post.

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That woman, the one who it turns out is named Yifat Alkobi, the Jewish woman that confronted, cursed, spat on and threatened her Arab neighbor in Hebron, she who is imprisoned in her own home, seemed somehow familiar to me.

Gradually, from the cobwebs of my childhood memories, I dredged up the image of a Hungarian neighbor in Novi Sad, who used to stand at the entrance to her home and curse us every time we went into the street - just like Yifat Alkobi.

When we decide, and rightly so, to never under any circumstances compare the behavior of Jews to that of Nazis, we are forgetting that anti-Semitism only reached its height at Auschwitz. It had existed, was active, frightening, harmful and disgusting - exactly like Alkobi's image - in the years that preceded Auschwitz too. And behind shuttered windows hid terrified Jewish women, exactly like the Arab woman of the Abu-Isha family in Hebron.


Now, Lapid's no lefty - former leader of Shinui, and a cabinet minister under Sharon - but he is at least honest.

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posted 23 January 2007 04:47 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was just coming here to post that article, having received it by e-mail.
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posted 23 January 2007 09:00 PM      Profile for Peech   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
Now, Lapid's no lefty - former leader of Shinui, and a cabinet minister under Sharon - but he is at least honest.

Actually he's a real right winger. Secular, but pretty right of centre.

[ 23 January 2007: Message edited by: Peech ]


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posted 23 January 2007 10:15 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It depends on the issue, but I agree in general - and so would he. He has said some nasty things about the Left and leftists. He has also said that he doesn't think peace with the Palestinians is possible. But then, every once in a while - and possibly as a result of the horrors he witnessed in his life, which no person should have to endure, ever - he comes up with moments of moral clarity. This is one of those moments.
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