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J Watt
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posted 27 September 2006 07:12 PM      Profile for J Watt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...sex with a drunk woman equated with punching someone out as a sport!! &%$#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is the link to the cartoon:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/instigator/index.html

I am contacting EVERY good feminist I know whose email address I have or can get -- and making sure that CBC hears our roar!!!!

aagggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!


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Michelle
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posted 27 September 2006 07:15 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, welcome to rabble, J Watt! That's a pretty tasteless cartoon, all right.

Just a quick hint - you shouldn't cross-post the same post in more than one forum here. Your post will be seen if you choose one forum for it. I'll close the one in the media forum since this is a great feminism topic.

Thanks! Stick around and enjoy.


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Fidel
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posted 27 September 2006 07:25 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ya, Probert couldn't hit him at close range one night in Detroit, so he smashed Tie with his forearm a few times. Animals!. I like the new game.
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dackle
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posted 27 September 2006 09:01 PM      Profile for dackle        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It may be offensive, but the drawing of Domi is very accurate. Such detail.
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500_Apples
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posted 27 September 2006 09:10 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pardon me, I don't see what's so offensive about it? I really don't mean to be insensitive. Maybe because it's midnight and I woke up at 630am and I've been tackling quantum theory questions all day?

It's typical journalistic english. They're using puns. Here, they exploit the fact the word "lay" has different meanings. At the time of a recent olympics, some mocked the slogan "faster, higher and stronger" as being a male sexual reference. I never found that offensive. Here, tie domi is known for laying others down on the ice, and now in his last fifteen mintues of fame, for "laying" belinda stronach. Perhaps it's that word that's the problem... only that word is typically locker room english, and Domi is evidently a locker room kind of guy.


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remind
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posted 28 September 2006 12:15 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's the CRAPPERS subtle finger in the CBC programming!!!!!!
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Stargazer
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posted 28 September 2006 04:00 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh god, someone take my temperature (aw, okay for get that) but I'm actually in agreeance with 500 Apples on this one. Gripes!
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Michelle
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posted 28 September 2006 04:49 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I think it's a tasteless cartoon, but I also just kind of took it as a pun. I didn't take it that they were joking about Domi punching out Stronach.
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otter
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posted 28 September 2006 07:49 AM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about the accurate portrayal of sexual "conquests" of women and deliberate male violence being seen as simply the same game by the same players? Not very funny when your on the receiving end of either.
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posted 28 September 2006 10:26 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm with otter, remind and J Watt on this one.

And I need to add, the implication of date rape in the mention of wine as a way to get BS (hey, great initials) to sleep with him. As if she can't make her own choices, and as if she, like the dude he clobbered, is just another conquest.

I also read this as perhaps if wine didn't work, clobbering her would be okay.

[ 28 September 2006: Message edited by: bigcitygal ]


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Lego Guy
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posted 28 September 2006 01:42 PM      Profile for Lego Guy        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's unfortunate the demographic for that cartoon feature is males between 16-40 years old.

But I agree with 500_Apples and Michelle, it was a cheap pun quip.....the lowest form of humour.

The cartoon would have been a lot more funny if the joke revolved around the fact no team wanted Tie Domi thus he retired and Belinda being one of the richest women in Canada. Have a take on the "sugar mommy" angle, if you will.

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kropotkin1951
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posted 28 September 2006 04:12 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just because it is a pun doesn't make the meaning any less reprehensible. I got a clear message that "laying" BS was the same as beating up someone the only differnce was the weapon. Rape is all about power and to me that cartoon says Tie puched out his opponenets and raped Belinda. No humour there.

The cartoon makes me an angry white male in the 45 to 64 age group.


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Stargazer
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posted 28 September 2006 06:10 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I took it in terms of the word laid, as in slept in a bed or had sex with. Belinda being the last conquest. Juvenile and silly for sure but weird that I did not see it in the form of violence, but I guess it clearly could be construed as that.
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Il Morto Qui Parla
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posted 29 September 2006 03:51 PM      Profile for Il Morto Qui Parla     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't see the big deal. I read many anti-men jokes in my life - I simply don't care. Personally I think there are some very big global issues we should be worrying about, kicking up a fuss about someone exercising their right to make a joke just makes the left look humourless and petty and only works against us.

Sorry if that is an unpopular opinion.


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marzo
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posted 29 September 2006 04:35 PM      Profile for marzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Il Morto Qui Parla:

Sorry if that is an unpopular opinion.


That's okay, Mort. It's just a Canadian thing to be obsessed with a 'goon' hockey player having sex with a billionaire heiress. It's like a car wreck. You're shocked, you're horrified, but you can't look away.
On the bright side, this might be a sign that Belinda has gotten bored with politics and taken up a new hobby.

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Pride for Red Dolores
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posted 01 October 2006 02:06 PM      Profile for Pride for Red Dolores     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Belinda is perfectly allowed to be a sexual woman and a politician. The 2 aren't mutually exsclusive. If ti domi was out having affairs, if was probably the death knell of his marrige, not the cause.

I personnally find the cartoon offensive- it makes a female poltician look bad for nothing. It has sexism written all over it to me.

quote:
On the bright side, this might be a sign that Belinda has gotten bored with politics and taken up a new hobby.

I really hate it when people use sexuality to put others down- is it becasue they have no other intelligent criticism's ?So far as I can tell, Belinda Stronach is a politican, and that's that. She's been an MP for a while now, I don't believe it's a hobby. Comments like the one above are the oldest form of oppression. Remember when she switched over from the Conservative party, the comments some MP's made ? They where of the same type, equally offensive and certainly unbecoming of an MP. The word mysoginist leaps to mind. To goi further, that type of comments does not belong in a feminist forum, or in any other forum for that matter.

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500_Apples
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posted 01 October 2006 02:43 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pride For Red Dolores,

There's the larger issue of female sexuality being used as a political tool, which is a dumb idea and totally useless. Notice how the liberals are making Ruby Dhalla one of their most prominent female voices. She, the former beauty queen, not associated with any policies. Meanwhile Stronach is head of the liberal women's caucus, and she too is not associated with any initiatives. Why do the liberals pick these two and not Carolyn Bennet for example? And how did Rona Ambrose become the most important and possibly only important female in Harper's inner circle? The 1990s may have seen prominence for Deborah Grey, Jane Stewart and Alexa McDonough, but that era is seemingly and unfortunately over.

The way I see it, it's irrelevent that Stronach is considered attractive by many. What is relevent is that that's the ONLY thing that almost anybody knows about her, yet we still get the impression she's a major political figure, didn't she make a global 100 ranking? She was not associated with any policies during her leadership run for the CPC other than baking a bigger economic pie, and under Martin she received the vacuous position of minister of democratic renewal.

As sexuality is the only thing Belinda's known for (interesting we refer to her by her first name), it is not surprising that when she would be in the news, it would usually be for issues of sexuality.


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