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Topic: execution of 16-year-old girl in Iran
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Debra
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posted 25 August 2004 10:34 AM
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=97 quote: Ateqeh Sahaleh was hanged in public on Simetry Street and Rah Ahan Street at the city center after a sham trial, in which she was accused of committing “acts incompatible with chastity.” The teenage victim had no access to a lawyer at any stage and efforts by her family to retain one were to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself. She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish those who force women into adultery, not the victims. The judge used harsh words to scold her for the way she had dressed.Ateqeh's national ID card stated that she was 16 years old. The judiciary, however, claimed falsely that she was 22. The sentence was issued by the head of Neka’s Justice Department. The judiciary chief in Mazandaran sent the case to the Supreme Court, were it was subsequently upheld with the approval of Judiciary Chief Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi. Rezaii, the religious judge who issued the original sentence, personally pursued Ateqeh’s death sentence, beyond all normal procedures. He personally put the noose around her neck as she was taken to the gallows. After Ateqeh was hanged, Rezai said her offense did not call for execution, but that he had her executed for her “sharp tongue”.
More at amnesty: http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde130362004
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beluga2
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posted 27 August 2004 01:25 AM
quote: He personally put the noose around her neck as she was taken to the gallows.
I'm usually firmly opposed to the death penalty, but if and when there is a 2nd Iranian Revolution (bring it on!), I wouldn't shed a tear if someone decided to subject this judge to a bit of his own medicine. Fucker. A couple more depressing points from the Amnesty article: - This is the 10th execution of a child since 1990. - The male "co-accused" was sentenced to 100 lashes, then released.
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Debra
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posted 27 August 2004 09:32 AM
Well here you go Hailey, I guess this proves she deserved to be hung.Ya know there is little conspiracy theorist in me who believes it was the sick and twisted judge who stole her body. quote: Translation From Persian: By Khorshid ActivistChat Member On Sunday August 15, 2004, a 16 year old girl by the name of Atefe Rajabi, daughter of Ghassem Rajabi, was executed in the town of Neka, located in the province of Mazandaran, for “engaging in acts incompatible with chastity”. The execution was carried out by the order of Neka’s “judicial administrator” and was approved by both the Supreme Court of the Islamic Republic and the chief of the nation’s “judiciary branch.” Although according to her birth certificate she was only 16 years old, the local court falsely claimed that she was 22. Three months ago, during her appearance before the local court, fiercely angry the young girl hurled insults at the local judge, Haji Reza, who is also the chief judicial administrator of the city, and it is said as another expression of protest took off some of her clothes in the courtroom. This act by the young girl made the administrator so furious that he evaluated her file personally and in less than three months received a go-ahead from the Islamic Republic’s Supreme Court for her execution. The animosity and anger of Haji Reza was so strong that he personally put the rope around the girl’s delicate neck and personally gave the signal to the crane operator, by raising his hand, to begin pulling the rope. It may be noted that although according to the Islamic Republic’s own penal laws the presence of an attorney for the defense [is supposed to be] mandatory, regardless of the defendant’s ability to afford one, nevertheless the girl remained without an attorney. Her unfortunate father, while tears poured from his eyes, went about the city beseeching the townspeople for money to hire an attorney who in the least would provide his daughter with a line of defense. The young girl was buried the same day after her execution but during that same night her corpse was disinterred by unknown individuals and robbed. The theft remains unexplained and the Rajabi family has filed a complaint. The 16 year old girl’s male companion, who had been arrested as well, received 100 lashes and, after the Islamic punishment was carried out, released.
*Michelle I posted the entire translation because I don't read persian and I don't think most other people here do either. Though I could be wrong.*
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Hailey
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posted 27 August 2004 10:20 AM
Debra, if you see what I said earlier then you would realize that I wasn't supporting it. quote: It still wouldn't make it the right decision.
I was just trying to get a context as I heard things and wasn't sure if they were true. I'm against capital punishment. I think the only time I ever wavered on that was Andrea Yates but that was a transient shameful expression of anger and I came to my senses. It's always wrong to take another life. The horror of that is heightened by the young women's youthful age.
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Debra
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posted 27 August 2004 11:40 AM
But Hailey don't you get that this quote: Three months ago, during her appearance before the local court, fiercely angry the young girl hurled insults at the local judge, Haji Reza, who is also the chief judicial administrator of the city, and it is said as another expression of protest took off some of her clothes in the courtroom. This act by the young girl made the administrator so furious that he evaluated her file personally and in less than three months received a go-ahead from the Islamic Republic’s Supreme Court for her execution.
is an appropriate response to what was occurring and was the basis for the "sharp tongue" indictment.So when you say this quote: I understood that the issues were beyond having a sharp tongue and encompassed a concern that she had not been sufficiently chaste. I understand that in an earlier hearing she disrobed and hurled insults at the Judge.
You seem to be missing the point and making allowances for what happened.
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Michelle
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posted 27 August 2004 12:02 PM
If I remember correctly, he was some sort of religious freak who felt it was his duty to keep her barefoot and pregnant. The asshole. He should be in the next fucking cell.Don't mind me. Sorry for participating in the thread drift. We talked about Andrea Yates more in this thread. [ 27 August 2004: Message edited by: Michelle ]
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Hailey
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posted 27 August 2004 12:15 PM
quote: You seem to be missing the point and making allowances for what happened.
I make no allowances. I'm trying to understand the context of the decision. If it was being "sharp tongued" why aren't more women killed there? It's just puzzling to me. The bottom line though is that no matter WHAT she did there is no reason to kill another human being. It is particularly tragic that she's 16 and utterly gruesome that the body has been disposed of. quote: Andrea Yates You would think about sentencing a clearly mentally incompetent woman to death
Yes, I did but you must have missed this part of the post transient shameful expression of anger and I came to my senses quote: after her husband, who knew she was severely mentally ill, left her to fend for herself with all the children and housework, and bitched and whined that she wasn't a good enough housekeeper.Jesus f-----g Christ.
Clearly, I don't see it from that perspective. I don't blame her husband. I won't further the thread drift. It was intended as an aside.
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lagatta
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posted 27 August 2004 01:45 PM
You are thinking of Hans and Sophie Scholl. Here is one of the many There are many websites about them and the other young people in the White Rose website; in Germany, many schools etc are named after them. As to morality and choices, Hailey, since you say you are a Christian, remember Jesus' admonition that only he or she who was without sin (i.e. nobody) could cast the first stone. I have a friend who works with street kids involved in prostitution and other hustling and petty crime. Their lives are very sad and in many cases, they come from homes where abuse was the norm. In the particular case of the Iranian teen, there was also the issue of whether she was emotionally or mentally competent. A lot of religious folk such as our local hero "Pops" (Father John, a local priest) work with street kids, but they have to learn themselves not to be judgemental. Here is another local story about a creep exercising his power over a kid: sexual assauling and leaving a ten-year-old girl for dead: http://Montreal.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=qc_suspect20040827 What a bastard! [ 27 August 2004: Message edited by: lagatta ]
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Hephaestion
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posted 27 August 2004 01:56 PM
A very good friend of mine is originally from Tehran. When that butcher, the Shah, fell, and the religious freaks took over, Nikta (who was ten) and her family fled for Canada, where her mom had a cousin she'd never met.Nikta was the only one in the family who spoke English, and had to do all the translating for the family once they left Iran. She is a funny, proud, opinionated and very sexy young woman. (She's also the very proud sister of a very "out" lesbian.) I could not read this account without thinking of Nikta, and seeing her in this young woman's place. I only hope that the people of that town remember the name and the example of courage provided by that young woman. When the counter-revolution comes (please let it be soon!) there should not only be statues raised in her honour and memory, there should be fully-funded scholarships in her name (open only to young women) at every university in Iran. It almost makes me wish that I DID believe in a god and a hell, because surely a just god would send this cleric to an eternal hell for this foul crime. It is from the young people like this woman, and in her memory, that the counter-revolution will come. It cannot come soon enough.
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Albireo
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posted 14 September 2004 10:47 PM
This is an extreme, unacceptable and despicable case of discrimination against women when they are strong enough to voice and defend their opinions.There are other more subtle examples in Canada and other parts of the world where women are discriminated against or “socially punished” for their strong opinions and defense of their rights. Extreme cases like this makes us react in disgust but if you look around it is in your day to day life to a certain degree Loca posting from Albireo's home....
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