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Michelle
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posted 06 August 2007 09:53 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought I'd read about this on babble before, but the only thread I could find was about an incident involving someone else.

Anyhow, I heard about this story on Daily Kos. There are a whole bunch of facets to this case that we can get into in this thread, such as the fact that it shouldn't be illegal to solicit sex, etc. But the incredible thing about this story, to me, is that this guy is proclaiming his innocence with claims of "the big black guy scared me into it!" Yeah, that's gonna get you lots of friends. Dig yourself a little deeper, why don't you.

Check it out:

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"This was a pretty stocky black guy, and there was nothing but other black guys around in the park," Allen, who is white, told police in a taped statement after his arrest. Allen said he feared he "was about to be a statistic" and would have said anything just to get away.

Allen, who couldn't be reached for comment Thursday, has repeatedly declared his innocence, his intention to fight the charges and his desire to stay in office.


Daily Kos diary

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As Allen turned and motioned for the officer to follow him to his car, Kavanaugh identified himself as a police officer by raising his shirt and exposing his badge.

When Allen was being placed in a marked patrol car, he asked whether "it would help" if he was a state legislator, according to a police report. The officer replied, "No."


Hahahaha. "Would it help?"

Thankfully someone has humour here.

What was that last word? Cripes!! Edited because I am on strong drugs for my foot and seemingly can't spell.

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posted 07 August 2007 06:22 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good lord, what a maroon!

Goes to show you though, just how unhealthy repressed homophobic societies can be. The poor dude has probably had to live a life of deception and possibly self disgust. His family are victims.

In Ontario on the other hand, a minister of the crown in a gay relationship can have a really nice wedding, tastefully covered by the media, and for the most part people are happy for them.


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posted 07 August 2007 06:31 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Y'know, I often click on these links to see if it's a Republican or a Democrat, but I almost don't need to check any more. About 9 times out of 10, the answer is "Republican". It seems like the whole Republican party is composed of (a) people who are fighting against what they see as "sexual depravity", and (b) people who are engaging in that same "sexual depravity". And a good chunk of the party seems to belong to both of those groups!
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posted 07 August 2007 06:38 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Albireo:
Y'know, I often click on these links to see if it's a Republican or a Democrat, but I almost don't need to check any more. About 9 times out of 10, the answer is "Republican". It seems like the whole Republican party is composed of (a) people who are fighting against what they see as "sexual depravity", and (b) people who are engaging in that same "sexual depravity". And a good chunk of the party seems to belong to both of those groups!


Ya, it's the whole "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy that is so prevailent with those the many on the right. Which is one of the reasons why I left religion behind.

Putz trying to blame intimidation!


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posted 08 August 2007 06:37 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's another one.

Young Republican National Federation Chair Accused of Sexually Assaulting Sleeping Man

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Glenn Murphy, Jr., the recently elected chairman of the Young Republican National Federation (also the RNC Chair for Clark County, Indiana and formerly the YRNF Secretary) has been accused of sexually assaulting a sleeping man. Immediately following the accusation, he came up with an unrelated reason to resign, and the YRNF cleansed their website of his name.

Allegedly, Murphy and another YR were drunk and crashing at Murphy's sister's house. The other man apparently awoke in the morning to find Murphy giving him a non-consensual blow job. The Clark County (Indiana) Sheriff's Department is charging Murphy with "criminal deviate conduct", a Class B felony.



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posted 28 August 2007 07:47 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another Republican hypocrite in men's room incident:

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Senator Larry E. Craig, Republican of Idaho, was arrested in June by an undercover police officer in a men’s bathroom at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, and pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in the case three weeks ago.

Mr. Craig, 62, was fined more than $500 and placed on unsupervised probation for a year. A 10-day jail sentence was suspended, according to a copy of a court document in the case. A second charge, interference with privacy, was dismissed.

The arresting officer explained in his report that Craig tapped his foot, “in what the officer called a known signal to engage in lewd conduct,” brushed his foot against the officer’s, and waved his hand under the stall divider “several times.” In a statement, Craig said his actions had been “misconstrued.”

As for pleading guilty, Craig said, “I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously.”

. . . .

Why did he rub his foot against the police officer’s? Because, he said, he “has a wide stance when going to the bathroom.” Why did he wave his hand repeatedly under the stall divider? Because he was reaching for a piece of paper (that did not apparently exist). Why did he plead guilty to criminal charges? Because he was in a hurry.


http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/12686.html


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posted 28 August 2007 11:12 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Police Report

If I were the judge, I’ll call Craig back to my courtroom and demand that he either (1) withdraw his guilty plea and proceed to trial or (2) re-assert his guilty plea with the explicit acknowledgment that he admits to the facts supporting the claim.

This is what happened to Sara Jane Olson, the 1970s activist who was convicted a couple of years ago for the attempted murder of two California police officers in the 1970s. She plea guilty and then immediately left the court and held a press conference where she said that she really didn’t do it. The judge hauled her back to court the next day and said that either she pleads guilty and admits to the facts of the charge or she proceeds to trial.

A person cannot plead guilty without also acknowledging that the person did, in fact, commit the crime to which the person pled guilty to.

Craig’s trying to have it both ways (plead guilty to avoid a messy public trial while at the same time—wink, wink, nudge, nudge—claim that he never “really” did what he pled guilty to).


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posted 28 August 2007 11:17 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Craig's voting record:

1996: Voted YES on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) prohibiting same-sex marriage.

2000: Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation.

2002: Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes.

2002: Rated 25 percent by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record.

2006: Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.


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posted 28 August 2007 01:20 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"I am not gay. I never have been gay."
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"I am not gay. I never have been gay." cries out Senator Larry Craig ... "I just REALLY love the man meat and the man juice once in a while ... nothing wrong with that - as he gets ready to perform in the annual Gay Pride parade in Toronto!!!"

This story only came out (hehe) now after nearly 3 months.

How did the MSM miss this story ...

Ah Republicans and their beloved bathroom stalls ... the 2 just go together like peanut butter and jelly ... soon becoming a grand old American tradition!!!

For more laughs and giggles ... The Real Tragedy Behind Craig's arrest: The Death of The Singing Senators!!!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by mary123:
How did the MSM miss this story ...

Well, I suppose the same thing could be said for non-MSM: Why did non-MSM miss this for three months? At least a MSM new outlet (Roll Call) finally uncovered it.


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posted 28 August 2007 02:52 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know which is more hillarious, his claim that this was the result of his "stance" or his claim that he was merely reaching for a piece of paper. He was reaching for a piece, but it sure as hell wasn't paper.
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Here's Larry "I'm not gay, I plead guilty but I'm not, The media made me do it" Craig's statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJgSl_auejM

Craig's sexuality has been the topic of rumor for quite a while:

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Over five months, the Statesman examined rumors about Craig dating to his college days and his 1982 pre-emptive denial that he had sex with underage congressional pages.

The most serious finding by the Statesman was the report by a professional man with close ties to Republican officials. The 40-year-old man reported having oral sex with Craig at Washington's Union Station, probably in 2004. The Statesman also spoke with a man who said Craig made a sexual advance toward him at the University of Idaho in 1967 and a man who said Craig "cruised" him for sex in 1994 at the REI store in Boise.


http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/143801.html


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Actaully, Craig has always been under suspicion from the media, and had a misdemeanor charge in, I think Idaho, stemming from some solicitation incident. He was also suspected of hitting on young men as far back as 1980 and some have come forward and said they were hit on by him in the late 60's as students. For many people this is apparently no surprise. What is surprising is how this man could become so clearly self-loathing while leading a double life. What a creep.

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Here in Idaho, we’ve all heard the whispers. The rumor mill has been grinding for years, peppering us with terrible jokes like those recited above. Will Larry Craig go the way of Spokane Mayor Jim West? That was a bad joke, too. Want to hear the worst? How do you get a job in the Spokane Mayor’s office? Drop to your knees and face West.

Wouldn’t it be better if we could all just come out and stay out? Wouldn’t it be better if Larry Craig, gay or straight, had used his political power to make the world a better, safer, and more equitable place for all people, gay, straight, lesbian or bisexual? Charity, after all, begins at home.


New West


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Michelle
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posted 29 August 2007 03:41 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's a good clip, Stargazer. I feel the same way - isn't it too bad that these men, who are actually victims of homophobia, feel they have to internalize it and become their own oppressors.
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posted 29 August 2007 04:38 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

Craig’s trying to have it both ways (plead guilty to avoid a messy public trial while at the same time—wink, wink, nudge, nudge—claim that he never “really” did what he pled guilty to).


Okay, but is he that stupid? He's a US Senator, and this is a sex scandal. Hell, apparently he even handed his card marked 'US Senator' to the police officer and said "What do you think about that?" Let's not forget this is Idaho (!!!), but even so as another US politician said, "I'll be re-elected so long as I'm not found in bed with a dead girl or a live boy." He wasn't found in bed with a live boy, but this is pretty close, in the second most mormon and one of the most conservative states in the Union. So admitting to it, and then planning to seek re-election that's just a dumb strategy. So why wouldn't have just stonewalled, claimed he was being framed and even flat out lied? It seems more logical. So I guess I answered my own question--maybe he is that stupid as your scenario describes. After all his denials have been pretty pathetic.

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I missed this line when I listened to the replay of Craig's statement yesterday (quoted from this morning's Wall Street Journal):

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(We’d also note that he started his remarks to reporters with the somewhat-inappropriate-for-this-situation line: “Thank you very much for coming out today.”)

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More: From the Idaho Statesman.

I don't know anything about the Idaho Statesman but it's an interesting read.


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And so ends this year's nomination period for the 2007 Roy Cohn Hypocrisy Award.
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These many recent cases (where homophobes like Ted Haggard and the Republican Homophobes spew hatred and intolerance, and then get caught participating in behaviours they publicly condemn) illustrate why the government and religious movements should not be in the business of trying to determine what citizens should or should not be doing in their homes, in their relationships, and on the dance floor. The government should not be moulding society, but should be responding to the changes and needs of society. Religious/political movements should not be imposing their hateful perspectives on citizens.

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posted 29 August 2007 08:47 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Craig’s trying to have it both ways (plead guilty to avoid a messy public trial while at the same time—wink, wink, nudge, nudge—claim that he never “really” did what he pled guilty to).

He is attempting to try his case in the press.

Usually, that becomes impossible once you plead guilty. But Craig is used to a US press which will accept almost any asinine assertion as possibly true.

Probably we will soon see "even-handed" reporting in which on the one hand, Craig's supporters say that he was harassed-but-innocent, while others say he admitted his guilt. See? It's a controversy!


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Lyin' Larry's getting little support. He's considered a laughingstock even by the usual right-wing crowd. And a poll came out today saying that more than half of Idahoans want him to resign.
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quote:
Originally posted by josh:
Lyin' Larry's getting little support. He's considered a laughingstock even by the usual right-wing crowd. And a poll came out today saying that more than half of Idahoans want him to resign.

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it wasn't just Craig's comments, but the reaction of many GOP activists and bloggers - many of whom want the senator to resign immediately - that revealed a party much more uncomfortable with homosexual misconduct than with other sins. Many bloggers who want Craig to quit amazingly didn't reach the same conclusion with married, "pro-family" Louisiana GOP Sen. David Vitter, who admitted having sex with a female prostitute.

Are you or have you ever been gay?

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posted 29 August 2007 02:59 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interestingly, Idaho Republicans are less likely than Idaho Independents, or Democrats in thinking that Craig should resign.
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Not totally surprising, given the significance of seniority in the Congressional system here in the U.S.

A lot of Idaho Republicans would let Larry Craig grope THEM in an airport men's room rather than
give up the legislative clout the man has. Especially since there's the outside chance this could actually throw his seat to a...gasp...Democrat!

(a conservative Democrat, but to them, that's still just the moderate wing of Satanic Islamic Communism.)


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At least three Republican Senators have publicly called for Craig to resign his Senate seat.

ETA: Personally, I'd just like to see him twist in the wind.

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He seems to have lost his committee positions, and the throngs appear to be calling for his head.
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The sad thing is, they're probably calling for his head for the wrong reasons.

The right reason to call for his head is that he's a hypocrite. But I'm going to bet that most of the people calling for his head over this are doing so because they're prudes and homophobes.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
The sad thing is, they're probably calling for his head for the wrong reasons.

The right reason to call for his head is that he's a hypocrite. But I'm going to bet that most of the people calling for his head over this are doing so because they're prudes and homophobes.


Are you channeling my thoughts?

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posted 30 August 2007 01:23 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes. Mwa ha.
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Great comments by Barney Frank on this issue.

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And Tucker Carlson let's slip the fact that he's a gay basher.


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Michelle after watching the piece of shit talking about proudly being a gay basher you might want to filter some of my thoughts.
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Here's the transcript of Craig's police interview following his arrest:
Transcript

Understatement of the year:

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OFFICER: Okay. I don't want to get into a pissing match here.

Evidently not!

Anyway, as enjoyable it is to see a hypocrite like Craig exposed the whole bathroom sting operation does smack of entrapment - not of Craig specifically but of gay and bi men in general, particularly the closeted ones who are more likely to engage in this sort of risky behaviour.

It wasn't that long ago that Toronto papers would publish the names of men caught in these stings - and that some men would commit suicide as a result.

I have to say, aside from occasional graffiti, I've never noticed any evidence of sexual activity in any of the public washroom I've been in over the decades. Perhaps there have been tapping feet in ajoining stalls, I don't know, I never noticed which is why I suspect the only people who would pick up on bathroom "signalling" would be either other men looking for sex or cops. It is frankly, absurd to arrest a man because he played footsie in a bathroom stall with another man who deliberately sent signals of interest.

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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
The sad thing is, they're probably calling for his head for the wrong reasons.

The right reason to call for his head is that he's a hypocrite.


If that was his only “crime”, virtually all politicians would have to resign. Hypocritical behavior should be something left to the voters in his state to decide.

quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
But I'm going to bet that most of the people calling for his head over this are doing so because they're prudes and homophobes.

There’s a third reason: He pleaded guilty to a crime. That’s the reason he should resign.


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Audio Tape of Interrogation.

What a stupid fucking liar.

ETA: Craig's about as believable as: "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky."

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One element of the circumstances which I have not seen highlighted, but is of interest for those still wondering if he was soliciting sex:

When he went into the stall and sat down, why did he not pull down his pants? Normally, those wishing to use a toilet, and who are sitting on it for the purpose of using it, will have pulled down both pants and underwear. I know I do.


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Republican-Ayatollah Alliance:

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As a Republican state senator in Montana and as a human being, I am offended by Senator Craig's existence. Why oh why are most of the perverts that get caught Republicans? Are there more of them or are they just stupid? The thought of a US Senator chasing love in all the wrong places makes me think longingly of the Ayotollahs in Iran. They would just kill the turkey

http://www.leftinthewest.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=918


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quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
When he went into the stall and sat down, why did he not pull down his pants? .


because scatting in your pants is the other Patriotic Act?


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posted 31 August 2007 11:12 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE] I know I do. [/QUOTE

Well, I guess I just lost my bet about what lawyers wear under those robes.


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Michelle
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posted 31 August 2007 12:21 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, me too. I guessed a kilt.

Anyhow, he claims he did pull down his pants. He said that's why his legs were spread so far apart, because that was the only way he could keep his pants from falling to the floor.

I listened to the interrogation tape on CNN last night, and I spent the whole time either cringing at the mental images generated from this guy's minute descriptions of how he sits on the can, or laughing. Poor guy, I almost felt sorry for him. I thought, wow, just what I've always wanted - to tell to the world on CNN all about my toilet-sitting technique!

[ 31 August 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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aka Mycroft
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posted 31 August 2007 01:54 PM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
One element of the circumstances which I have not seen highlighted, but is of interest for those still wondering if he was soliciting sex:

When he went into the stall and sat down, why did he not pull down his pants? Normally, those wishing to use a toilet, and who are sitting on it for the purpose of using it, will have pulled down both pants and underwear. I know I do.


I don't know if it's been established whether or not he'd pulled down his pants and his claim that he maintains a "wide stance" in order to prevent his pants from hitting the floor suggest he claims he had pulled them down. Of course, taking off your pants and underwear is not inconsistent with soliciting sex. In fact, it's pretty much required at some point in the process.


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posted 31 August 2007 02:06 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the thought of my pants touching the floor of a public washroom makes my skin crawl.
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posted 31 August 2007 02:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He said on the tape with the police officer that he'd pulled them down, I think.

And oh man, I'm with Heywood. The thought of any part of my pants above, say, the knee, touching a public washroom floor freaks me out completely. I'm such a germphobe.

[ 31 August 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 31 August 2007 02:47 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Craig is going to resign.
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Michelle
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posted 31 August 2007 02:52 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha! Just last night on CNN they were speculating on how long it would take him to resign. One of the pundits said next week at the latest. And as I watched them play the tape over and over again, I said to myself, "Next week, my ass. TOMORROW."

I wish I hadn't been alone, so I could have proof of my brilliance.


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posted 31 August 2007 03:22 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the idea of sitting on a public toilet at all gets my skin crawling. The use of a public washroom, for most men anyways, is akin to a surgical strike...get in and out as quickly as possible.

But hey, over at Daily Kos someone named SpamNunn made a funny observation about the hypocritical difference in responses between this incident and another Republican Senator who recently got in trouble (though not this much trouble), David Vitter. Vitter, visited (female) Prostitutes and had them make him wear diapers.

quote:

If Craig had been wearing a diaper, like Vitter, he would never have gone into that men's room.

Zing.


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posted 04 October 2007 10:43 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

A Minnesota judge has denied Sen. Larry Craig's request to withdraw his guilty plea to a disorderly conduct charge stemming from his arrest in a sex sting at an airport men's room.

Hennepin County District Judge Charles Porter found Craig had entered the guilty plea "accurately, voluntarily and intelligently" and it was too late to withdraw his admission.

In a sharply worded, 27-page order, the judge found the Idaho Republican had freely given his plea after extensive discussions with prosecutors and after waiving his right to an attorney.

"The defendant, a career politician with a college education, is of at least above-average intelligence," Porter wrote. "He knew what he was saying, reading and signing."


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/04/craig.arrest/


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posted 04 October 2007 11:23 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha ha!
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quote:

Eight men say they either had sex with Sen. Larry Craig or were targets of sexual advances by the Idaho Republican at various times during his political career, a newspaper reported Sunday.

One of the men is the former escort whose allegations disgraced the Rev. Ted Haggard, former president of the National Association of Evangelicals, the Idaho Statesman reported.

The newspaper identified four men and reported details of the encounters they say involved Craig.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-7121495,00.html


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posted 02 December 2007 05:00 PM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Prominent male hooker forced to step down amid accusations of sex with sleazy evangelical leader.
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