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evenflow
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posted 31 March 2004 10:30 AM      Profile for evenflow        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Russia says its new weapon will make U.S. missile defence useless

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MOSCOW (AP) - Russia has designed a "revolutionary" weapon that would make the prospective American missile defence useless, Russian news agencies reported Monday, quoting a senior Defence Ministry official.

The official, who was not identified by name, said tests conducted during last month's military manoeuvres would dramatically change the philosophy behind development of Russia's nuclear forces, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies reported. If deployed, the new weapon would take the value of any U.S. missile shield to "zero," the news agencies quoted the official as saying.



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DrConway
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posted 31 March 2004 01:40 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't help but giggle at Russia's obvious posturing, yet it is sobering to realize that we have very likely entered a Second Cold War phase, with China trying to upgrade its weaponry, and Russia making noises about staying on the world stage.

How much more money will all the nations with the capability waste on military spending instead of educating their young and healing the sick?


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Briguy
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posted 31 March 2004 03:18 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gentlemen, start your engines!


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HalfAnHourLater
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posted 31 March 2004 03:38 PM      Profile for HalfAnHourLater     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Excuse me, could I have some SALT with that?
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Rufus Polson
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posted 01 April 2004 12:10 AM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not that revolutionary new weapons are needed.

In real life, even if the US missile defense thingy worked at the limited task it's supposed to be capable of, which it doesn't, the theoretical capabilities are so limited that if I'm not mistaken any of these or combinations would beat it:

--Painting the missile black
--Slightly higher speed
--Unpowered final stage; i.e. getting the aim finished above the atmosphere and falling in cold
--Releasing a few mylar decoy balloons or chaff
--Using cruise missiles instead of ballistic
--The MIRV warheads they already have
--Using lots of missiles

Heavy innovation isn't required.
Say, I wonder if the Russians will quietly sell this tech to China? They could use the cash.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 01 April 2004 01:17 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When NASA started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens do not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $millions to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, under water, on almost any surface including glass, and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees centigrade.

The Russians used a pencil.

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Cueball
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posted 01 April 2004 02:20 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LOL.
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DrConway
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posted 01 April 2004 03:08 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Al Q: I heard that was an urban legend.
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verbatim
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posted 01 April 2004 04:05 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Space Pen Urban Legend, courtesy snopes.com.
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Cueball
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posted 01 April 2004 10:45 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh well.
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Cueball
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posted 01 April 2004 10:54 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps a more apt example of what Al Q. is getting at was the incident where a Soviet Mig 25 was flown to Japan in the 70's(early 80's) when the pilot decided to defect. US engineers immmediatly dismantled and studied what was the most sophisticated and as yet uncpatured Russian fighter jet.

Reports came out about the high-tech, yet also somewhat primitive nature of its construction. For instance the Soviet metal workers who assembeled the plane neglected to grind down the exterior rivets of the plane's fuselage. This got some media play as an example of the primitiviness of Soviet technology in comparison to US aircraft.

Later, some smart US engineer figured out that the unground rivets actually served to make the mig 25's radar image less clear, and therefore served a anti-missile function.

[ 01 April 2004: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 01 April 2004 11:44 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had heard that the rivets disturbed the laminar air flow which allowed the aircraft to be faster and more agile than the original design allowed.
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Cueball
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posted 01 April 2004 11:48 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well that is cool.
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paxamillion
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posted 01 April 2004 11:52 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
Oh well.

If it's any consolation, Cueball, I have a similar but true story. On some cold weather exercises in the 70s, the Amwerican military personnel complained their pens wouldn't work. Their Canadian trainers produced pencils to do the same task.


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Cueball
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posted 01 April 2004 11:54 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks I feel better now. To get back to a theme more in keeping with the board: I am OUTRAGED, that US imperial forces were training in Canada!!!! What exactly did thise training entail?


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Obsidian
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posted 01 April 2004 04:34 PM      Profile for Obsidian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This thread has become far too reasonable. We need more wild speculation about what new doomsday weapons the Russians are working on to grind the free world under their iron heel.

My theory: giant fighting robots.

Or ninjas. Who deflect missiles with their bare hands.

Or ninjas in giant fighting robots.

You heard it here first, Rumsfeld and Friends.


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Cueball
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posted 01 April 2004 04:36 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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