the last few days i've been watching the private, male only club called the Vatican dominating the headlines

the last few months i've been following the mostly male club called the UN garnering much attention

the last few years i've been witnessing the mostly male club called Wall/Bay Street capturing unwanted headlines

in all three cases men (mostly) have shown their inability to conduct church, government and business affairs in a fair and just manner

...methinks we should kick the competition oriented males out of power and replace them with collaboration oriented females

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Originally posted by CourtneyGQuinn:
does anyone believe that we're about to enter into a new matriarchal epoch?

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rather then trying to enter into male dominated institutions...maybe women should set up a new institution...maybe women worldwide should mobolize and try something different?...what if 50% of the people on this earth decided to create a new Vatican/UN?...

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the organizational structure could use the Net as a pulpit (pulpnet )... the PMO/Vatican/White House/UN offices have all become too centralized (not to mention boardrooms)....there's a small circle of mostly men who make most major decisions...the Net will not allow for hierarchy and domination...new organizations will be built that recognize the newly emerging open communications channels

i think it's possible to create a global council of 300 elected women to coordinate the construction or buying of 3000 daycare/afterschool/babysit facilities...if MacDonalds has almost 30 000 locations worldwide- (catholic church probably having a much larger real estate portfolio)- it would be possible to gain a global footing quite fast if women organized and mobilized.
just like the church...i'm sure the women operated facilities could survive and strive using tax breaks, donations and global real estate accumulations...the organization could be known as a 24/7 one stop shop for all things relating to childcare and nurture

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we'll see how the fans react if there's a season next year...personally i'd like to create a new league (another idea? ) ...i'd like to eliminate scouts and general managers and let fans decide who they want to represent their teams...i think a ticket to a hockey game should be three things: 1)a place to sit, 2)a ballot to vote for best performing players, 3)a lotto ticket....fans, players and owners would profit share.

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do you think Thatchers party, cabinent and inner circle was made up of mostly men or women?

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Beats me. But if you need an organization made up primarily of women, perhaps the NAC?

i originally sent the idea to BCE/Bell/CTV/TSN/Globe & Mail almost two years ago. check out this link to read more

a few ideas

things are changing fast...up until recently it was women (mostly) who nurtured and cared for children...now- (because of computers and the Net)- professional mothers can stay connected to offices/organizations AND care for their childern...being connected to both your work and your child is fully possible in the comfort of your own home with current technologies.

but it would be nice if there was an institution in place that acted as a safe/secure daycare,afterschool and babysitting site/service...it would seem women are historically (and perhaps genetically?) predisposed towards childcare...so why not have women run and manage facilities?

men (mostly) dominate the military

women (mostly (initially anyway)) can dominate organized childcare

...why not?

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btw...Kim Campbell got a great chance eh?

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Considering she didn't have to earn it at the ballot box, I'd say it was indeed a great chance.

We all think we could do a better job than the guy who's there right now, but how many people do you know that just wake up one morning and get to be P.M.?

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...it would seem women are historically (and perhaps genetically?) predisposed towards childcare...so why not have women run and manage facilities?

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Courtney: maybe we could test your theory that woman-led countries/organizations/etc. would somehow function differently and better than the ones we've got now. I suggest turning over the government of a small but not insignificant country — say, Britain? — to a woman and see how it goes. Or, if it's already been tried, maybe we could just look at how it turned out.

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Aw, I see, are you implying that any women in power would be another Margaret Thatcher? Because that is certainly what it seems like to me with this statement.

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Aw, I see, are you implying that any women in power would be another Margaret Thatcher? Because that is certainly what it seems like to me with this statement.

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No, I'm implying that having a uterus does not necessarily make a human more kind, loving, sharing, or cooperative. So let's stop thinking like that.

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does anyone believe that we're about to enter into a new matriarchal epoch? supposebly the upcoming age of aqaurius will be a more feminine oriented time period...supposebly thousands of years ago the earth was in a matriarchal age...and the last couple thousand years was a patriarchal cycle

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Uhh, I would be very suspicious of moral legitimacy of any movement that presupposed the inate superiority of one sex over another, or qualified leadership ability on the basis of sex. In fact, I think such views would immediatly disqualify persons holding those views from having the moral legitimacy they aspire to, as they are usually based on critique which condemns others for holding such views.

I think, I would call it insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that they do not really have, but thats just me.

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Who steals more...men or women? Who rapes more...men or women? Who kills more...men or women? Who hurts/harms more...men or women?

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Maybe testosterone is to blame.

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I don't know why men commit more crime but the differences between the crime rates by gender is startling.... etc.

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This is a perfectly legitimate manner of dicussion. I would venture to suggest though, that statistics have certain falibilities that are innate. For instance I would suggest, though I think I would agree that men play a more prominent role in crime generally, that women often play key enabling roles in crime and are often co-conspirators in criminal activities taken up by the men in their lives. These kinds of roles are often hard to decipher as "crimes" within traditional European legal system, or if they are deciphered as such they are deciphered as lesser crimes.

I think also, that this level of enabling, may disappear partly because of the traditionally sexist attitudes of the police officers who investigate crimes. They are predisposed to find a male criminal, and see males as the locus player in criminal activty, partly because of the manner in which these statistic are gender profiled, and traditional male attitudes, wherein, as an example, they are the male protectors of victim women (including the female associates of male criminals.)

Although I think it is a hackneyed example that is often used to by males to justify their fear (paranoia) issues revolving around female empowerment, I think the manner in which the Homolka/Bernardo case was investigated and prosecuted is instructive in this regard. It is quite clear that both the investigating police and the crown were over-willing to personify Homolka as victim, as well as criminal. I think their attitude would have been quite a bit different were Homolka male.

But those were extraordinary crimes, but on other levels women play key and often unseen roles in all kinds of criminal activity. They are couriers in drug rings, serve as lookouts and drivers in robberies, act as lures in con games and den mothers in the sex and drug trade. Roles that easily disappear within the sexist sterotyping of police investgations, and also roles that are easily plea-bargained away for valuable testimony against the "principal criminal" in court.

Essentially, I think people should consider the possibility that the caring, nurturing and cooperative aspects of women's behaviour that are traditionally associated with women's behaviour as a positive, also manifests themselves as part of the social glue of criminal networks.

I think also, that much of the anthropological and sociological work from which such statistics are derived and intepreted may also be tainted by traditional sexist sterotyping of the researchers themselves.

While I have not done any kind of serious investigation into this, and don't want to make an issue of it, I think this would be worth considering in any serious sociology on male and female crime.

I am thinking of the sucide rates in Sweden, and how there was a study done sometime ago, in which it was suggested that one of the reason that suicide rates are apparently higher in Sweden, than in the US and Canada, is because investigators in Sweden are much more likely to identify the cause of death as suicide than their North American counterparts, who are more likely to leave a case open. In Sweden a body floating in a river is likely a "suicide," whereas here it is "cause of death unknown." The study suggested that suicide was looked at much more disaprovingly in North America, and as such, investigators were much less likely to assign suicide as cause of death for the sake of the feelings of the family etc.

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I think the manner in which the Homolka/Bernardo case was investigated and prosecuted is instructive in this regard. It is quite clear that both the investigating police and the crown were over-willing to personify Homolka as victim, as well as criminal. I think their attitude would have been quite a bit different were Homolka male.

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I agree. In fact I found their complete eagerness to see Karly-Kurls as a poor, long-suffering victim to be disgusting. If it was Paul and Karl, gay lovers, who killed three girls, I simply cannot possibly imagine either of them being spared the highest sentence the court could impose.