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VanLuke
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posted 15 June 2005 12:27 AM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A view of The Economist:

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... The American government is notoriously stingy with its foreign aid, giving just 0.2% of GDP to poor countries every year. Even when Americans’ ample private donations are added in, America still falls near the bottom of the rich-nation pack in generosity to those abroad. Yet American voters believe they are absurdly generous. A 2001 poll showed that they think 24% of their federal budget goes on foreign aid, a figure that would amount to more than 4% of America’s GDP. ... On June 8th, the UN Development Programme released a statement showing that progress towards the Millennium Development Goals (MDG), which were supposed to cut extreme poverty in half and improve social indicators such as education and health care, has been pitifully slow. At the current rate of progress, by 2015 the number of deaths of African children under five will have fallen only to 5m a year, rather than the 2m target set by the MDG. Other indicators look just as bleak. AIDS, in particular, is devastating the population. Life expectancy has dropped by more than ten years in many countries. And with the deaths concentrated in the working-age population, each new case adds to a widening circle of economic hardship.

It's farm subsidies, stupid

Yet there is one step that rich countries could take that would help Africans in both well-governed and poorly-governed states: curbing the agricultural subsidies and health-and-safety regulations that keep African products out of rich-country markets. The current structure of agricultural protections not only hurts poor African farmers, but also, by levying disproportionate tariffs on many processed goods such as ground coffee, helps keep poor countries selling low on the value chain. This leaves their already-weak economies extremely vulnerable to swings in raw commodity prices. ...


http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4054539


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VanLuke
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posted 15 June 2005 12:32 AM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another view by Naomi Klein:

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... This is what keeps Africa poor: not a lack of political will but the tremendous profitability of the current arrangement. Sub-Saharan Africa, the poorest place on earth, is also its most profitable investment destination: It offers, according to the World Bank's 2003 Global Development Finance report, "the highest returns on foreign direct investment of any region in the world." Africa is poor because its investors and its creditors are so unspeakably rich. ...

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0610-20.htm

http://tinyurl.com/9h28w

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Anchoress
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posted 15 June 2005 12:41 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And here's a related recent thread from April, 2005: Rabble brainstorm: Why is Africa so poor?
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VanLuke
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posted 15 June 2005 12:56 AM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another view from The People's Daily about Africa's image in the western press. (Anchoress I was searching for this while you posted your contribution. Thanks for that.)

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200506/10/eng20050610_189662.html


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VanLuke
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posted 15 June 2005 01:08 AM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Anchoress for the link. I just read it all; it's a great thread.

Let's keeep the topic alive, shall we?


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posted 15 June 2005 09:23 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
George Monbiot calls it all "A Truckload of Nonsense."

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You are waiting for me to say but, and I will not disappoint you. The but comes in paragraph 2 of the finance ministers' statement. To qualify for debt relief, developing countries must "tackle corruption, boost private-sector development" and eliminate "impediments to private investment, both domestic and foreign".
These are called conditionalities. Conditionalities are the policies governments must follow before they receive aid and loans and debt relief.


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Fidel
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posted 15 June 2005 09:41 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently, western governments and the CIA preferred hand-picked corrupt dictators over Marxist-Leninists. All over the capitalist third world, in fact. CIA-sponsored mercenaries and SOA graduates bombed schools and hospitals throughout Latin America and Africa in preventing the spread of communism. Rather chintsy of the Washington-based WB/IMF, I'd say.
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Bobolink
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posted 15 June 2005 11:51 AM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess we prefer them to the corrupt Marxixt-Leninist dictators (Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, etc)

[ 15 June 2005: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


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VanLuke
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posted 15 June 2005 03:22 PM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
/thread drift

unless they are ex-Marxist thugs like Karamov


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VanLuke
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posted 15 June 2005 03:25 PM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
every time I woke up last night I thought of posting a link to:

Why Africa by Bob Geldof published some time ago in the Georgia Straight:

http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=6277


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posted 15 June 2005 04:45 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
America still falls near the bottom of the rich-nation pack in generosity to those abroad. Yet American voters believe they are absurdly generous.

Something that is almost equally true for Canadians, sadly.


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posted 15 June 2005 04:47 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
America still falls near the bottom of the rich-nation pack in generosity to those abroad. Yet American voters believe they are absurdly generous.

Something that is almost equally true for Canadians, sadly.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 15 June 2005 04:59 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is that a per-capita? Or a percentage of GNP/GDP? How is that being calculated?
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posted 15 June 2005 05:39 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The American government is notoriously stingy with its foreign aid, giving just 0.2% of GDP to poor countries every year.

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Fidel
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posted 15 June 2005 07:20 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think 0.2% of GDP is the UN target. I don't think the U.S. is doing that. For every $1 in U.S. foreign aid to the poorest African nations, socialist Norway gives $4 USDN.

In fact, the Bush regime is blocking use of foreign aid money to be used for fertility clinics in Africa, even though little or none of the money comes from the U.S.. Half of African women in Kenya will be pregnant by the age of 19, and many will have backroom abortions. Many arrive at UN-sponsored clinics with infected wombs and in shock. The world-wide consensus is that women want fewer children.

If African nations and India could control fertility rates and plow scarce resources toward educating the children they do have, these countries could break the cycle of abject poverty that has burdened them for centuries.


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posted 15 June 2005 07:22 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The UN target is 0.7%. It used to be 1% (Brandt commission) but they lowered it in the hopes that countries like Canada would shoot for 0.7%.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 15 June 2005 07:23 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although at 0.2%, and with many other developed countries more in the 1% range, I would figure it's less $ per capita as well. I mean, I really doubt the US GDP is five times as high per capita as Germany's or France's or Finland's or even Italy's.

Even in absolute terms with their much greater size and population than other developed countries, that 0.2 still means that while I'm sure they give more total than, say, Germany, it probably isn't the massive, disproportionate, agenda-setting impact that it once was.


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VanLuke
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posted 16 June 2005 12:11 AM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by swallow:
The UN target is 0.7%. It used to be 1% (Brandt commission) but they lowered it ...

I've always considered this to be disgusting because 1 percent is already a pittance.

Not to speak of the incredible theft of resources perpetrated by the Europeans and 'offshoots'.


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M. Spector
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posted 16 June 2005 01:09 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
America's pitifully small "foreign aid" expenses include tens of millions of dollars channelled through the U.S. Agency for International Development to fund subversive activities in Cuba, and even more millions sent to Israel to allow it to purchase weaponry from American arms manufacturers.

The pittance that could be characterized as "humanitarian" aid is usually given to private contractors and consultants who hire subcontractors and administer relief projects, thereby diverting a substantial proportion of the money into administrative costs and private profit.


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posted 16 June 2005 02:23 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
I guess we prefer them to the corrupt Marxixt-Leninist dictators (Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, etc)

[ 15 June 2005: Message edited by: Bobolink ]


Just two Marxist wannabe's ?. I can count at least
35 friendly right-wing dictators supported by the CIA and right-rightist governments over the years.


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VanLuke
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posted 16 June 2005 04:37 PM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting link but why is Karamov, who has boiled some of his victims alive, missing?
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posted 16 June 2005 07:49 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did they mention the doctor and the madman ?.
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posted 20 June 2005 10:23 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This article points out that aid to Africa will be wasted unless climate change can be checked, or at least the effects prepared for.
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... a coalition of British aid agencies and environment groups warns today...

...Aid needs to be targeted in a new way, they insist, and what will be vital in the future will not be big development projects, such as industrial-scale agriculture, so much as steps to make small communities more resilient in the face of potentially devastating rises in temperature or drops in rainfall.

The report, Africa - Up In Smoke? ...

...Above all, it says, there must be a new flexibility, and not a one-size-fits-all approach to development. "Just as an investment portfolio spreads risk by including a variety of stocks and shares, so an agricultural system geared to manage the risk of a changing climate requires a rich diversity of approaches in terms of what is grown, and how it is grown."...

...The 18 charities, which together form the Working Group on Climate Change and Development...

...The charities say they emerged from a private seminar with Mr Blair's officials feeling disillusioned about the failure of Downing Street to grasp the Africa-climate change agenda.

"The most depressing thing about it was that they took the view that it is simply not possible to talk about the two issues in the same breath. They said the media couldn't take it in and that it was too complicated," said one source. "We were flabbergasted. They just don't seem to get it."...



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