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Doug
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posted 14 March 2008 04:42 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Antique store owners in lower Manhattan, ticket vendors at India's Taj Mahal and Brazilian business executives heading to China all have one thing in common these days: They don't want U.S. dollars.

Hit by a free fall with no end in sight, the once-mighty U.S. dollar is no longer just crashing on currency markets and making life more expensive for American tourists and business people abroad: Its clout is evaporating worldwide as foreign businesses and individuals turn to other currencies.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23616851/


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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 14 March 2008 06:02 AM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got to watch the effect on tourists of the USD's decline up close and personal for several years. Around the Mediterranean (mostly in Europe), where years ago American tourists were the cock-of-the-walk and would rave about how cheap everything was, they now complain about how everything is a "rip off" and those "untrustworthy Greeks (e.g.)" are just taking advantage of tourists and charging scalpers prices for goods and services. In truth, all that has happened is that the USD has fallen in value and prestige against the Euro and various other local currencies - such as the Turkish Lira. I have to admit to a certain amount of self-satisfaction watching the self-pitying hordes of be-sandaled USians ranting and moaning about their loss of fortune, completely oblivious to the policy and economic realities behind their seeming skint-hood... They seem to suffer serious cognitive dissonance if they arrive somewhere sunny, and where the locals are swarthy, and aren't so superior any more.

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Sandy47
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posted 14 March 2008 06:34 AM      Profile for Sandy47     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You mean local merchants will no longer be treated to such charming Americanisms as "Yeah, but how much is that in real money, boy"?

Dear me. The end of an era? Pity.


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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 14 March 2008 09:48 AM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sandy47:
You mean local merchants will no longer be treated to such charming Americanisms as "Yeah, but how much is that in real money, boy"?

Dear me. The end of an era? Pity.


I've heard those exact words several times, I'm sorry to say.


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Proaxiom
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posted 14 March 2008 09:52 AM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by B.L. Zeebub LLD:
...they now complain about how everything is a "rip off" and those "untrustworthy Greeks (e.g.)" are just taking advantage of tourists and charging scalpers prices for goods and services.

FWIW, they often are ripping off the American tourists -- easy marks.


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Sandy47
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posted 14 March 2008 11:14 AM      Profile for Sandy47     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by B.L. Zeebub LLD:

I've heard those exact words several times, I'm sorry to say.


Me too... and in England yet. I had previously heard it in places more... ahm... off the beaten path, but hearing it said with a straight face in Leeds was a waker-upper. The clerk was "gob-smacked" - to say the least.

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Doug
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posted 14 March 2008 05:33 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The weak dollar has had another result as well:

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The U.S. economy lost the title of "world's biggest" to the euro zone this week as the value of the dollar slumped in currency markets.

Taking the gross domestic product of both economies in 2007, the combined GDP of the 15 countries which use the euro overtook that of the United States when the European currency surged to a record high of more than $1.56 per euro.


http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1491971920080314


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jester
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posted 14 March 2008 07:09 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I stayed at a Hilton in Europe awaiting a flight when the loonie was $1.10. I never state that I'm Canadian and,in the executive lounge,the American patrons assumed that I was one of them.

They were beside themselves at the thought of their currency being derided by Canadians. One chap was apoplectic that a Canadian had refered to the USD as monopoly money.


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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 15 March 2008 12:22 AM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Proaxiom:

FWIW, they often are ripping off the American tourists -- easy marks.


Sure. That happens, though in many places (e.g. Turkey) it's not really "ripping off" as they expect bartering. If you don't know how, that's your problem and not an ethical sleight on the seller. Don't get me wrong, the sellers I know in Turkey knew they were easy prey, but from my point of view if you don't understand the customs of the place you're visiting and pay a little extra because of it, you ought to bone up on your research before leaving next time. Oh, and do a gut check and learn to negotiate! It's good for the soul.

But in many cases these tourists would be complaining in restaurants, which charge the same price no matter where you're from. I mentioned Greece because the change from the Drachma to Euros made a huge change in prices and standard of living for locals working the tourist industry in hot spots like Rhodos and Corfu.

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Stockholm
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posted 15 March 2008 06:34 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now that the Canadian dollar has gained so much ground against the US dollar - shopping and travelling in the US has become a real bargain. Even with our dollars at par - most stuff tends to to be cheaper dollar for dollar in the US.

I love going into stores in the US and saying "Gee, everything is so cheap now that the Canadian dollar is so high. You know for us coming to the US to shop is like for you guys to go to Tijuana!!"


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Michelle
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posted 15 March 2008 07:08 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm going to the US in May, so I'm looking forward to that! I guess I'll still have to buy American money though. Last time I went to New York, I accidentally handed a vendor at the Port Authority a Canadian $10 instead of a US $10. She looked at it as if it was from another planet. She hadn't seen one before. (She was really nice about it, and wanted to take a good look at it - it was one of those new bright purple $10s with the hologram strip and everything.)
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oldgoat
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posted 15 March 2008 07:25 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When's the last time you tried to cross the border, Michelle?

Bet you're on a database.


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Boom Boom
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posted 15 March 2008 08:09 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jester:
They were beside themselves at the thought of their currency being derided by Canadians. One chap was apoplectic that a Canadian had refered to the USD as monopoly money.

I love it!!!


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Michelle
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posted 15 March 2008 08:14 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:
When's the last time you tried to cross the border, Michelle?

Bet you're on a database.


Oh, probably. Last time was a little under a year ago.


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jester
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posted 15 March 2008 10:03 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:

I love it!!!


I consider myself a rational,reasonable person but I am somewhat disconcerted by my capacity for schadenfroide at the humbling of American hubris.

I like most Americans and don't think they are much different than Canadians but the proponents of American pre-eminence in the US government get up my nose. The reason for most of the wars in the world is American neo-con shit disturbing to facilitate its need to be the global policeman and perpetuate its unilateral excuse for the use of force.

If the decline of the USD and ensuing loss of economic capacity can hinder Pax Americana expansionism, I'm all for it.


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