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Hephaestion
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posted 22 January 2005 08:40 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From queerday.com

Italy honors gay Holocaust victims

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A black marble plaque surmounted by a pink triangle will be unveiled next Wednesday at the site of the only death camp located on Italian soil, San Sabba, located near Trieste. The plaque, which bears the inscription "Against all discrimination" is the first recognition in Italy of the suffering of gays under the Nazis.

Arcigay, the Italian gay rights group, will lay a triangular wreath of pink flowers to remember the symbol gay men were branded with upon entering the camp. Professor Rüdiger Lautmann says two-thirds of gays in the camps died there.


Link to The UK Independent


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lagatta
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posted 22 January 2005 11:58 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The recognition is wonderful, but it is NOT the first such memorial in Italy. The left-wing coalition holding municipal office in Bologna dedicated a Pink Triangle memorial to gay Holocaust victims back in 1989. I was in Italy then and remember it keenly.

"MONUMENTO DI BOLOGNA
A Bologna esiste un monumento alle vittime omosessuali del nazifascismo, un triangolo rovesciato (oggi simbolo internazionale del movimento di liberazione gay e lesbico) di marmo rosa, installato dal Comune presso i Giardini di Villa Cassarini. Il monumento fu inaugurato a Bologna nel 1989 grazie alla collaborazione della giunta di sinistra che condivise il progetto e concesse il terreno".


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Hephaestion
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posted 23 January 2005 11:17 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the info, oh wise feline but I'm afraid I am unilingual. Can you translate?
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posted 23 January 2005 11:19 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Google Translation:

"MONUMENT OF BOLOGNA
To Bologna a monument to the homosexual victims of the nazifascismo, an turned upside down triangle exists (today international of the movement of liberation gay and lesbian symbol) of marble rose, installed from the Common one near the Garden of Cassarini Villa. The monument was inaugurated to Bologna in 1989 thanks to the collaboration of the committee of left that shared the plan and granted the land ".


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skdadl
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posted 23 January 2005 11:29 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't know that about the single concentration camp in Italy. Near Trieste -- that also means near the Austrian border, and by 1943, that would make sense (well -- Nazi defensive sense). A centre for Austro-Italian Jews as well, Trieste was.

Did you read the line from Mussolini? Homosexuality didn't exist in Italy? Shades of Queen Victoria and the lesbianism she would not outlaw because she didn't believe it was possible. I suppose stupidity has its side benefits.

Both monuments sound wonderful and long over-due.


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lagatta
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posted 23 January 2005 12:56 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"MONUMENTO DI BOLOGNA
A Bologna esiste un monumento alle vittime omosessuali del nazifascismo, un triangolo rovesciato (oggi simbolo internazionale del movimento di liberazione gay e lesbico) di marmo rosa, installato dal Comune presso i Giardini di Villa Cassarini. Il monumento fu inaugurato a Bologna nel 1989 grazie alla collaborazione della giunta di sinistra che condivise il progetto e concesse il terreno".

Bologna Monument
In Bologna, there is a monument to the homosexual victims of Nazi-fascism, an upside-down triangle (nowadays the international symbol of the gay and lesbian liberation movement) made of rose-coloured marble. The City had it erected in the Villa Cassarini Gardents. The monument was inaugurated in Bologna in 1989 thanks to the collaboration of the left-wing city government coalition which shared in the project and granted the land for it.

Google translations are funny though.

The camp near Trieste was the only camp in Italy with a gas chamber and ovens - there were other holding camps and places where enemies of the regime - and after 1943, Jews and other "undesirable elements" like gays - were murdered. Primo Levi was held in a camp in northwestern Italy before being deported to Auschwitz - he was arrested as a partisan fighter. Leone Ginzburg - a literary critic, writer and partisan leader who was also the husband of the novelist Natalia Ginzburg - both were the parents of the historian Carlo Ginzburg - was tortured to death as both a Jew and an antifascist militant by the Gestapo, in Rome.

Like their Hungarian fascist counterparts, Italian fascists were always lukewarm about genocidal racism. They had no trouble with enacting and enforcing "racial laws" and discrimination against Jews and others (Roma in Hungary) but actual roundups and mass murder depended on the presence of the Nazis themselves. Mussolini fell in 1943; the mass roundups of the largest Jewish communities in Venice, Rome and Trieste took place later that year.

I'm not as familiar with Hungarian history - I don't believe the Hungarian fascist regime actually fell until the end of the war. Did the Nazi troops arrive to shore it up? I know large-scale "racial" deportations didn't start until 1944, which is also the reason a larger number of Jews and Roma survived there than in other parts of Central Europe.

Most of the deportations of gays, as I recall, took place within the German Reich itself (Germany-Austria and annexed territories with Germanic populations). They were intended to purify the Aryan nation of degenerates. I don't think the Nazis were particularly concerned with whether "subhuman" Slavs, for example, were gay.


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Hephaestion
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posted 23 January 2005 01:38 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, RB!

Edited to add:

*tsk* damn "send" button...

And thank YOU too, lagatta.

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posted 23 January 2005 01:58 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heph, since you are so interested in gay history you must see "Una giornata particolare" - I checked and the English translation is the literal "A Special Day". The special day in question is Hitler's triumphal visit to Mussolini's Rome. Sophia Loren and Marcello Mastroianni play the leads as an oppressed housewife married to a fascist creep and a gay journalist who was sacked for his sexual orientation. They find a bit of comfort together despite the deep foreboding through the images of the two dictators reviewing the adoring crowds.

http://gayinfo.tripod.com/unagiornataparticolare.html


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Hephaestion
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posted 26 January 2005 11:24 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just checked back on ththread, and saw your recommendation. Thanks for the tip— I'll add it to my list (although gawd knows when I'll have time/opportunity to see it?!)
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