About the only thing I can say is that as the only parent in the family, it really is up to you to decide what is appropriate for the girls. Though the eldest is likely entering that 'difficult phase of adolescent youth, you still have to be firm about what you think is appropriate and inappropriate for a girl her age.

That said, I think it is really important to keep the lines of communication open between you and the girls. You'll have to listen to them and hear them out if you want them to do the same with you. Try reflective listening.

I also suggest you get a hold of some good books relating to parenting young teenage girls. The more you read up, the better you'll feel, and the more you'll know how to handle their behaviour. I'm not an expert as to what books to read, but my mother certainly is. She brought my sister and I up very well based on a whole lot of stuff she read.

May I suggest a search for 'raising teenage girls' at amazon.com book section?

Off the top, these look good:
Raising Strong Daughters

Growing a Girl

Everyday Ways to Raise Smart, Strong, Confident Girls : Successful Teens Tell Us What Works

There are also some good books the girls can read to help them on their journey.

As for music, that's a tough one. Tastes change through the generations.. I think you should focus on reading up and learning more rather then spending your time trying to change their tastes in music. I went through a 'trash music phase' but I came out of it okay. (at least I think so) It will pass. But I think you should build your relationship with the girls through communication so that they will come to trust your opinion and value your point of view even more than now.

But I must admit, the simple fact you are here, and trying to find a way to turn the girls into stronger women, I respect that tremendously. They obviously have a wonderful father that they will grow to love more and more.

I'm really sorry if my advice is terrible. But I'm sure some of the fabulous ladies and mothers of Babble and a lot of other babblers too will have better advice once they wake up and join the forum in a few hours.

Until then, hang in there!

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[ 24 September 2005: Message edited by: West Coast Tiger ]

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[QBShe only listen to 'gangster-rap'. I find the lyrics very offensive and completely negative to women...Also, she now wants to have a 'tramp stamp' tattoo on her lower back. Her friends gave her some thong underwear and she got really mad when I threw it in the garbage.[/QB]

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Geez CB! So sorry! I completely forgot you are the only parent in your family too.

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Recently she came home from first year U and said OMG I am so glad you were once an old hippie.(apparently that made me more open-minded and therefore more reasonable) She explained meeting new friends and their parents has opened her eyes to how awfully separate and disrespectful the situation is between her friends and their parents. She feels so sorry for them and told me how much she appreciated always being told the Truth about Everything. First with books to back me up, then my word became enough. Small steps forward, back, forward, back all the way til they're about 18.

Throwing away the thong was not the best choice you made. You can now explain that (if that's how you really feel). Girls just love it when we admit we made a mistake and regret not discussing it. I remember actually handling them during the discussion, until she grabbed them out of my hand and said Oh please, your creeping me out. But she laughed knowing how I am, and carried on with her pleading.

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Originally posted by chubbybear:
Oh, Emm Gee. (as my daughter would say). No sir, I don't think so. No, I'm quite married thenk yew. My beloved spouse is beside me as I type. Didn't mean to imply otherwise, sorry.

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You know, CB, I really ought to get off this board today... I think my mind is going to mush. (Just call me a moron) Bottom line is this: you stated good advice. my apologies to your wife. (Insert embarassment here)

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BTW: I'm a 'ma'am'. tee hee. Guess things do get a little confusing over a message board.

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My wife and I have decided that the best way that we can help our young grils grow up into strong, independant and assertive women is to put them in contact with as many good role models as we can. Luckily, the Union movement is filled with excellent women, who are great role models not only for my daughters but for me as well.

We sometimes hear things like, 'Can I dye my hair purple like *****?', or 'can I get my eyebrow pierced like *****?'. The one that made my wife almost choke on her supper one night was, 'I asked **** if she had a husband, and she said that she needed a husband the same way that a fish needs a bicycle. Does that mean that you ride Daddy to the store?'

I don't know about the thong underwear. I think I'd have tossed it, too, but we know I'm an old woman, I'm 67, a grandma and great-grandma.

All the advice so far is great. The dancing together can work miracles. And not just YOUR kind of dancing, ask her to teach you HER kind of dancing.

My grandson listens to rap... frankly it makes me feel like puking but I expect my mom, Annie, had the same feeling when I was listening to Jerry Lee Lewis. I don't know enough about it myself to even be able to tell you which CD it's on but M and M has a rap about his daughter and it's incredible...my grandson listens to rap but he's the same kid who said he thinks any man who disrespects a woman in any way needs his ass kicked...

If it's possible DO things together..go swimming at the local Rec Centre with all three of them.. skating...stuff a backpack with sandwiches and drinks and take them for a hike... we are very lucky , we can go to the beach and prowl, all of us, from age three to seventeen...bike riding... and tell her, OFTEN, that you love her. I once told my kids I not only loved them, I LIKED them,and I was made humble by the power of their response..one kid cried...if there's a women's centre in your area I'm sure they'd help...

The next few years are going to be HELL. She'll get that tatoo one way or the other. Make a deal with her; if she'll wait until she's 16 you'll pay for the tatoo..and in the meantime look at designs together, there are magazines with nothing but pictures of tatoo's, look through them together...

sign up for cooking courses together...

do not be afraid to admit "I don't know what to do"...TELL them it is very hard for you, a male, to know what to say or do with daughters...tell them you want only the best for them because they are precious...tell them , often, that they can do and be ANYTHING...and don't be afraid to set boundaries and limits. I recently told my seventeen year old grandson "we'll talk about this further when you're twenty". He was angry, he was being unreasonable, he was being defiant. I said that, he gaped, and then he burst out laughing and said "Oh, Grandma, you are SUCH a goof at times.". And I said well, have pity, eh, I'm an old woman and I'm trying hard not to lose it here...

jokes...plays on words...but boundaries, too. And don't be afraid to make a "mistake"...you will...and if when you realize it ws a mistake you say so...and cuddle, cuddle, cuddle.

I've never been a single dad, I was a single mom. It's difficult. At times it seems impossible. But my grandmother Sarah told me "children thrive on their parents mistakes".

Stand firm on curfew during school week, with an hour or two later on Friday and Saturday nights but only if you get told where the kid is going to be...make sure you let her know how dangerous it is for girls , during the day but especially after dark...READ from the newspaper any account of a teen beaten or such so she knows it isn't just your psychosis warning her, let her know the actual truth of things

I threw away the thongs when my eight year old daughter began wearing one of them as well. My eight year
old naturally looks up to her big sister and she too now wants to have a 'tramp stamp' tattoo. When I
explained that she would not be respected and treated properly by doing this from boys, she said she
didn't care and that she said she "knows her role". This is bothering me very much since I am busy looking
for a job and I can't constantly go on telling her what to do and what not to do. I would rather she learn from
some strong female role models and learn some self-esteem and self-respect. The Indigo Girls were great
because they sang about acceptance and women's need for further acceptance in the church. And yes,
the Indigo girls don't wear thongs! And use the N-word!

I would like to bring my daughters to church tommorow, I'm afraid though they'll offend the other parishioners
by using the the N-word! I am thinking of grounding her, but she will only hate me and learn nothing at all. Still though,
I was thinking of putting her in her room and taking away her gangster rap cd's. I'm growing desperate here,
I know I can't show my desperation to my daughters, and that's why I'm asking for help. And finally,
some guy called the other day, he was very disrespectful to me and asked for my 12 year old, he then
told me to 'shut it' and threatened to 'punk me' if I don't get my daughter on the phone! I promptly hung up
and my daughter is angry that I won't give her money so that she can get a cellphone. For what? So that
pervert can call her directly?

Except that kid that said he would 'punk' you. No more calls, no more contact. Lay down the rules, and the consequences. If she sees him, she is grounded for her own safety. If he comes over, throw him out and charge him with trespassing if he comes back. If he is over 18, charge him with any of the laws that are on the books for preventing grown men from preying on kids. The crown prosecutor will know which ones I mean. If he would 'punk' you, what do you think he would do to your daughter?

And the language? I used to have a problem with my language, and my mother said that in the house, I would either clean up my language or face specific penalties, and she always followed through. Outside the house, I could say what I wanted but had to deal with the consequences at school, work, friends parents, etc. I soon learned that people won't tolerate abusive or vulgar language in public.

Whatever you do, don't give up on her. I have seen a good friend of mine, single parent dad, throw up his hands in despair at the actions of his teenage daughters and send them to live with relatives. His 15 year old just made him a grandpa. The other one won't be doing that for at least another 2 years because she is in a lockdown facility for another 14 months.

Make it clear. If she does action 'A', then she will receive consequence 'B'. Every time. Don't go off the handle and make every consequence capital punishment, make them fair but always follow through with them. If she keeps doing it, then let her know that consequence 'B' isn't working anymore and any further breaches of that rule will be met with consequence 'C'.

Why are you concerned about showing your "desperation"? Isn't being open and honest about your own feelings an essential part of good communication? Do you think maybe if you let them know how frightened you are for their future, they might realize that this isn't just a power struggle between you and them -- that it really matters? If you talked more about you you felt, maybe they would talk about how they felt, and maybe you'd get some clues about what to do next?

About self-respect: I've always believed that the best, and maybe the only, way to build self-respect is to find one's natural talents and develop them. You've talked a lot about what's wrong; but what about what's right with your daughters? What makes you proud of them? What would make you proud of them, if only they'd apply themselves to it? Are they smart? Artistic? Empathetic? Athletic? Sociable? Can you help them build on any of that?

You mentioned looking for work, so I'm guessing you don't have a whole lot of money to enrol them in dance classes or buy them expensive computers or athletic equipment. That makes it rough, I suppose, but can you get them involved in some kind of school or extracurricular activity that will give them a feeling of accomplishment? Something that they can given them a genuine sense of self-esteem, rather than relying solely on the esteem of boys?

After their mother (my wife) passed on, my two daugthers relied on me as a foundation for their support. It was very hard for them
as it was for me. I basically have been a pillar for them over the past two years, helping them along and making sure that they
never go hungry. As for what is right about my daughters? They are my two of the most beautiful young ladies I have
ever seen in my life. They are both very bright and smart, and I know they will be a good wife to a lucky guy someday. To break
down and cry in front of them isn't a good idea, I was in a rough shape years ago and I don't ever want to go back there again.

I spoke this evening to my sponsor, and he said that, my daughter is trying to shock me. He suggested I try
'reverse psychology' with her. Next time I see her in a thong, I should whistle and say how sexy she looks. That way,
she would feel the weirdnes I felt and put on some pants for once. And you are right sir, I don't have any work at the moment,
St. Katts isn't the best place for work, but our grandma lives nearby and she sometimes helps out with feeding the girls.
The only thing besides watching movie-night with the girls on tv, is playing dance-dance revolution on the t.v. both girls
love doing that and sometimes I join in. It's a good workout and is fun. I'd like to get my job back
at the GM plant, but with the strike and that son-o-gun Hargrove at the wheel, I doubt I'll be back in rotation there
any time soon. It's tough being unemployed, because my girls know that the money and food I give them wasn't earned.
They know I spend all day at home next to the phone and following up on reusmes. I am fearful that my older daughter is
losing respect in me, and is respecting another man more. The humiliation and embarassment of being on government
assistance is bothering me badly.

As for the condom-finger suggestion...NO

You go to Planned Parenthood, get some brochures, you sit down with her, you read them together and you tell her you do not expect her to be sexual but if she is she can go to the family doctor and discuss birth control. Phone the family doctor and tell the office your daughter has your permission. You also, at the time of the Planned Parenthood discussion talk about abortion.

If you feel okay you can leave condoms on her pillow but nix the finger thing. Kids learn about condoms in school, in sex ed classes, in "effective living" or whatever they're calling it this week. Career and Personal Planning..whatever...the finger thing is just gross and nothing a dad needs to do with his daughter, you need her respect.

Also, since you're asking for advice, "teaching them feminism" sounds like maybe it doesn't need to be your first priority? Finding some way that they can learn self-respect and boundaries and healthy pursuits in life is the broader issue. You might also want to think of them as people who might aspire to something beyond being "good wives" to "lucky guys" someday.

Get to know the girls friends and make them feel welcome at your home. It's much easier to know what's going on with them and their lives that way.

Don't ask the teacher to keep your daughter after school. That will look a lot like punishment to a kid and will bring up a lot of trust issues. Instead, you could ask the teacher about afterschool activities like sports or a band, and even get them to encourage your daughter to join up.

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Your sponsor may be a "wise old man" about some things but he is a sexist pig. You do not EVER whistle at any woman, whatever her age, regardless of what she is or is not wearing. You just do not!

As for the condom-finger suggestion...NO

You go to Planned Parenthood, get some brochures, you sit down with her, you read them together and you tell her you do not expect her to be sexual but if she is she can go to the family doctor and discuss birth control. Phone the family doctor and tell the office your daughter has your permission. You also, at the time of the Planned Parenthood discussion talk about abortion.

If you feel okay you can leave condoms on her pillow but nix the finger thing. Kids learn about condoms in school, in sex ed classes, in "effective living" or whatever they're calling it this week. Career and Personal Planning..whatever...the finger thing is just gross and nothing a dad needs to do with his daughter, you need her respect.

With all due respect to your sponsor..he needs to wake up to the fact it is 2005 and women are not his personal amusements or playtoys. You do not sexualize your daughter in any way EVER. You are her dad. He is a dirty old man.

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Hello Ms Cameron, Thank you and all for the good avice.

I first told my sponsor that I was thinking of bringing my daughter (the older one) to the Niagara public health department,
my sponsor thought that too was a good idea, but said for my daughter to fully
appreciate it, I should be as 'proactive' as possible. That's why he suggested I help out
to the besst of my ability and not just hand her off to the doctors.

I understand some here might find my sponsor to be a negative force, but if it weren't for
him, I would be dead by now. There's no kidding about it, he helped me through the STEPS
all the way. I owe him my eternal gratitude and I always ask him for help. It was his
idea to 'bend a woman's ear' on this matter, and that's what gave me the idea to find this
website in the first place. For anyone with a problem, it really helps to go seek help.

One big question, my daughter will be turning 13 in three months. For her birthday, she
made it very clear that she wants a cellphone. What should I do? It's true that I can keep
trakc of her but also she might use it to talk to some people who might just want to use her.
Putting condoms on her pillow is a good idea, She's asleep right now, so I'll try and be quiet about it.

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I'm not a parent, but I am a teacher of students the same age as your kids.

Get to know the girls friends and make them feel welcome at your home. It's much easier to know what's going on with them and their lives that way.

Don't ask the teacher to keep your daughter after school. That will look a lot like punishment to a kid and will bring up a lot of trust issues. Instead, you could ask the teacher about afterschool activities like sports or a band, and even get them to encourage your daughter to join up.

Help them find something they're good at and they enjoy. That will boost their self essteem, and probably introduce them to a new circle of friends that might be more of a positive influence.

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IMHO, waiting until your daughters are 12 and 8 is way too late to "introduce" anything. The approval of friends and other peers is far more important that anything that a parent might say. Start early, help them choose their friends (and meet their friends' parents) and give them the self esteem that they need to make good choices. They'll still make some bad ones (doesn't everyone?).

We live in a sexist society. Sometimes, it's just easier for young girls to internalize that and play along.

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SFoT, I'd like to think that you really mean well and want the best for your daughters, and I hear your concern for the older one.

However, please remember that your attitudes towards issues will get communicated to them, directly and otherwise. So if you are "humiliated" to be on "government assistance", if you want them to grow up and be good wives to some lucky guy, if you have a history of substance abuse, and yet refer to people that you don't want them to hang around with as "junkies/drinkers", all these attitudes will get picked up on by your kids.

Re. the cellphone, have you promised it to her already? It sounds like you'll have to feel way more trust in her before you'll be comfortable giving one to her. If you go ahead and get it for her, just to not be the "bad guy", you may then start freaking out with worry and concern (justifiably, from what you've written here) which could result in you taking it away from her at a later time. Think this one out completely.

And to others responding to this thread: I too am a bit uncomfortable with the amount of sexual references in a discussion about raising a twelve year old, but we need to remember that SFo2 may be in a different culture from what we're used to. Certainly thongs and abusive boyfriends (any kind of boyfriend!) were not issues when my daughter was twelve or thirteen, and I can only thank God for that; but apparently that's what SFo2 has to deal with. I guess you gotta play the ball where it lies.

And it's been said several times, but I might as well add my two cents' worth: Whistling at your daughter would be about the worst move you could make. Either she'll be weirded out by it, in which case what's that going to do to your relationship with her? or even worse, she might actually think it's flattering, which would only reinforce the dangerous idea that the only way to get attention from men is to dress like a tramp.

And why would he be posting in the feminism forum when he clearly doesn't seem to understand it himself? Wouldn't Babblers helping Babblers be better for his issue? Or Body and Soul?

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Originally posted by Single Father of Two:
Thank you ladies for all the words of advice. To answer some of your questions. I threw away the thongs because
she was wearing it around the apartment and it made me uncomfortable. When I asked her to at least wear
pants/anything to cover it, she told me to 'chill ni***r'. She never spoked like that to me before, and she's now trying
to imitate those gangster-singers.

I threw away the thongs when my eight year old daughter began wearing one of them as well.

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OMG, he called us all ladies. Well, thank you sir, that's right nice.

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I want my daughter to have self-respect and self-esteem. I want her to take care of herself, and I don't want to shelter her from having a social life. I'd like her to learn more about feminism.

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Well regardless of motive, that's an admirable goal. So this response is not just directed at SFoT personally but at anyone else who may be interested.

I do not have children but I have worked with teenage girls a fair amount, and I think the best way to teach anything is to model it yourself. If you want to teach your girls about feminism, model feminist behavior.

For a couple of concrete suggestions: I was struck that you said the good things about your daughters were that they were beautiful, bright, and would make good wives some day. You can teach your girls that they have value beyond what appeals to men (i.e. value beyond beauty and good wifeliness). Maybe you could model some feminism by complimenting them regularly on other attributes, such as achievement in school or a creative way of solving a problem or an interesting way of thinking of something.

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I want my daughter to dress normal and not go around like some street-hooker. She also wants to dye her hair and get piercings. I keep telling her that she will only attract the wrong crowd. I want her to meet a nice man with a good head on his shoulders. Someone who has a career and a life ahead of him.

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I want her to conform dammit. Dress to please me and her future headonstraight bf. That way she can make someone a good wife and not embarass me in the process.

And my company is sometimes the dyed-hair, earring through the nose-lip-eyebrow, black spike wearing tattooed pretty little teen girls. With the thong sticking out the back of the pants. They are having fun with their look, and they are bright and funny and doing well in school. Eventually they may tone it all down, or they may just leave it that way. They may get more outrageous.

I can't complain to it. I wore skin tight jeans and layered on makeup and shirts that laced up the front. I trained my dyed hair to fall over one eye, and flicked it back all day. I wore those godawful platform shoes until the doc told me one more sprained ankle and he would have to re-break my crooked leg. All that aside, I turned out pretty okay.

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Still beating this horse. I live in a house where we presently have four teens resident, and what always seems like another ten just sitting at the table waiting for the next meal.

And my company is sometimes the dyed-hair, earring through the nose-lip-eyebrow, black spike wearing tattooed pretty little teen girls. With the thong sticking out the back of the pants. They are having fun with their look, and they are bright and funny and doing well in school. Eventually they may tone it all down, or they may just leave it that way. They may get more outrageous.

I can't complain to it. I wore skin tight jeans and layered on makeup and shirts that laced up the front. I trained my dyed hair to fall over one eye, and flicked it back all day. I wore those godawful platform shoes until the doc told me one more sprained ankle and he would have to re-break my crooked leg. All that aside, I turned out pretty okay.

Even married a nice man with his head on straight lol.

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Hello all,

I read some of the comments on this chat-board. I appreciate many of the comments. Some people though mention that what I wrote bothered them. I now think it was a mistake for me to talk this over on this website. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here.

To SFo2:
I am a woman, about to turn 22. I go to university, about to graduate, and then go on to be an elementary school teacher. I can look back over the past ten years or so and think about the more effective and less effective ways that people have used to express concern with the way that I was headed in my life, but first I want to point out that the fact that just because I look 'unusual' does not mean that I have no moral compass. I'm pretty sure that I do, actually.

When 'grown-ups' got uncomfortable with what I was doing (or listening to , or hanging around with), they typically took one of two approaches...

The first approach started with assuming that since they didn't like it, it must be bad. Then, since I did like it, I must be bad... or atleast partly bad, and needing 'correcting'. That usually involved some sort of discipline or lecture. You can probably guess how effective it was when my Dad told me "now no monkey business tonight" as he dropped me off at a punk show. I mean, if nothing else, it let me know that he was NOT on the same page as me... I knew that he was probably assuming that I'd be drinking, getting high, or hooking up, but the fact that he couldn't even SAY THE WORDS annoyed me. (Besides that, I was going to a straight-edge show.) That phrase let me know that if I ever got drunk and needed a ride, it sure wouldn't be him I'd call for a safe way home.

The second approach was one that my mum used. If she didn't think much of what I was up to, they'd tell me that, and why it was that they weren't keen on it- exactly what it was that they were concerned about, in as up-front language as would be appropriate. She told me when I first started to just 'hang out' rather than 'play' that if I ever needed a ride home because I was drunk or something I could call and not worry about it. She'd rather I be safe. If they got worried about my friends, she'd ask me how they were doing rather than saying they were 'bad influences'. A lot of my friends' parents wouldn't let them see their friends and it would simply enrage the kids. I think you could ask my her (my mum actually does post to this board) whether I've done something just to piss her off, and she'd more than likely say no. I'm not saying I was an angel, I most certainly wasn't. I am saying that most kids deserve more credit than their parents give them, and denying them good communication (ie: being up-front without being aggressive, like throwing out undies) is a sure way to get kids who don't know how to communicate when you need them to. Explaining the way you see things is VITAL if you want your teenagers to pay attention.

Also, I have had several piercings, stretched earlobes, hair dyed in almost every colour (right now it's black, short, and spikey) and I'm planning a few tattoos that I will get once I get a job. My mum said I could get piercings when I was 15 and I did (after she and I checked out the hygiene of the potential studios). I didn't regret that. Tattoos on the other hand... I would probably make an arrangement like Anne suggested, but set the age higher, and have discussions about the designs. Bad Tattoos can't be pulled out like bad piercings can.

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2. I want to know who you are with
3. I want to know what you are doing
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I gave her my old Indigo Girl/Tori Amos Cd's, but she isn't interested.

Also, she now wants to have a 'tramp stamp' tattoo on her lower back. Her friends gave her some thong underwear and she got really mad when I threw it in the garbage.

I threw away the thongs because she was wearing it around the apartment and it made me uncomfortable. When I asked her to at least wear pants/anything to cover it, she told me to 'chill ni***r'.

I threw away the thongs when my eight year old daughter began wearing one of them as well. My eight year old naturally looks up to her big sister and she too now wants to have a 'tramp stamp' tattoo.

The Indigo Girls were great because they sang about acceptance and women's need for further acceptance in the church.

And finally, some guy called the other day, he was very disrespectful to me and asked for my 12 year old, he then told me to 'shut it' and threatened to 'punk me' if I don't get my daughter on the phone!

They are both very bright and smart, and I know they will be a good wife to a lucky guy someday.

I spoke this evening to my sponsor, and he said that, my daughter is trying to shock me. He suggested I try 'reverse psychology' with her. Next time I see her in a thong, I should whistle and say how sexy she looks.

My sponsor also told me that I should give her condoms and tell her how to use them. He then said I should use my fingers as a mock phallus to demonstrate how to get the thing on. My sponsor, a wise old man, told me that unless I do this, she might be with child.

I want my daughter to dress normal and not go around like some street-hooker.

All what I know, is that feminism does not mean getting your belly button pierces, getting a tramp-stamp tattoo and spending all hours going from couch to bed with the boys. i don't want my daughter to get pregnant either, she just recently started her flow.

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Just a few of the comments that lead me to think we're being led.

My personal fave? "unless I [put condoms on my fingers] she might be with child".

Uh, collect call from the late 1800's! Will you accept the charges?

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I gave her my old Indigo Girl/Tori Amos Cd's,

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Sorry, did I miss the part where you said you were trying to help cure her insomnia?

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Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:

Just a few of the comments that lead me to think we're being led.

My personal fave? "unless I [put condoms on my fingers] she might be with child".

Uh, collect call from the late 1800's! Will you accept the charges?

Again, my apologies SFo2, if you're a real person who wolf-whistles at his 12 year old daughter and sincerely hopes your 8 year old doesn't run out and get a "tramp stamp", but you're reading like a very clever prank.

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To set the record straight, I'm originally from Knoxville Tennessee . My departed wife Anne was a Canadian tourist from St. Catharines. With her help, I immigrated to Canada in '93. You are not the first man to make fun of my accent and when I apply for a job people sometimes think it's a crank call because of my voice. I've been doing my best to try and get rid of my accent and try and sound more like a northerner would.

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Originally posted by Single Father of Two:
I read some of the comments on this chat-board. I appreciate many of the comments. Some people though mention that what I wrote bothered them. I now think it was a mistake for me to talk this over on this website. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here.

I'm sorry for the concern I may of caused. My family will be alright. I thank you for your time.

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Originally posted by Ron Webb:
Congratulations Babblers, looks like you might have got rid of him. This must be the most unwelcoming, xenophobic discussion forum I've ever seen.

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Oh boo hoo hoo. Wahhhh, you're all xenophobes because I can't defend people who hate gays! You're all mean because you don't like guys who write creepy posts full of sexual references to their daughters and write about how real feminists repent for their whoredom by washing Jesus's feet with their tears in the feminism forum!

Wah wah wahhhhhhhhhhhh!

You know what, Ron Webb? If you took even half of the time you spend on babble bitching and moaning about what a horrible place this is and what a bunch of nasty people post here, and used it to look for a new discussion forum where your views and your whining would be welcome, you'd solve your own fucking problem.

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You are not the first man to make fun of my accent...

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