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wonderboy19
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posted 06 April 2006 12:58 AM      Profile for wonderboy19   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'd like to share this essay and ask the question, is porn political? What place does it have, if any?

PORN
by Max Gordon
Sapience Magazine
April 2006

Porn is in my life again.

Sometimes when I look at porn, I can’t stop. I walk away eventually – but usually hours, or most of an entire day, have gone by. On occasion, I’ve forgotten what time or what day of the week it was, missed appointments or gone to bed at dawn because of porn. I always tell myself that I’m only going to watch it for a few minutes - as I’m leaving for work, after I finish dinner, right before bed. Three hours later, four or five or six hours later, I’m still sitting there, staring at the screen, wondering where the time went. I’ve lost years like that.

I’d had several months away from porn this last time. Then I just got up one morning last week, walked over to the computer and went to a porn site. I was disappointed in myself for failing yet again, but I felt excited too. I’d missed my porn. When I downloaded the first image and felt the familiar rush, the release of tension. It’s like I hadn’t been away at all.

article continues at http://www.pornatsapience.blogspot.com

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deBeauxOs
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posted 06 April 2006 01:18 AM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
posted by wonderboy19: I'd like to share this essay and ask the question, is porn political? What place does it have, if any?
When it becomes an addiction of the magnitude described in the essay, then of course the personal becomes the political.

Just as individual lives, families and communities can be seriously affected by many forms of substance abuse such as smoking, gambling, shopping, drinking, drugging ... porn addiction can be destructive, to others beside the user.


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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 08:18 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 08:39 AM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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deBeauxOs
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posted 06 April 2006 11:16 AM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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posted by goyanamasu: It just struck me that my last post was class-ist and I didn't invest enough of myself in the abstract model I try to set up for you.
How about heterosexist and just plain sexist?

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Scout
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posted 06 April 2006 11:33 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm totally creeped out.
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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 12:00 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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lagatta
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posted 06 April 2006 12:10 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I find this very creepy. You've inflicted such innuendo on me, and on other women babblers as well. Stop it.
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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 12:13 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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skdadl
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posted 06 April 2006 12:14 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Are you suggesting that the feminism forum should be therapeutic? And therapeutic for whom?

I wouldn't deny that there have been times when many babble conversations, in a number of forums, probably have worked therapeutically, but I'm not entirely comfortable with a cool, conscious set-up of this forum as such.


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thwap
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posted 06 April 2006 12:16 PM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post
Take out the word "porn" and replace it with "babble" and you've got a picture of the cross I bear.

btw: goyawhatchamafuck: this isn't an online singles bar. trying to include others in such scenarios without their consent is creepy. You might legitimately think it's healthy and "therapeutic" but nothing nonconsensual ever is. If it persists people like me will ask that you be banned.

[eta: I just realized what forum this is. My apologies if i appear to be acting the white knight.]

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Mush
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posted 06 April 2006 12:22 PM      Profile for Mush     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ignoring the yutz and back to the initial post, I have to say I found the essay fascinating. I don't know if there is much written about how men use pornography. The last time I read about porin it was Dworkin and MacKinnon.
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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 12:25 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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posted 06 April 2006 12:57 PM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Um. WTF?

The blog link didn't work for me so I couldn't read the whole article. The addiction being alluded to is sad, frightening and serious but subsequent postings and discussion have been deleted. I feel like I've missed some kind of thoughtless 'bait n' switch' maneuver.

Can anyone enlighten me here? Or should I just give up?

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skdadl
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posted 06 April 2006 01:03 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've given up, AA. I don't see why the OP was in the FF in the first place.
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enki
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posted 06 April 2006 01:47 PM      Profile for enki     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That posting is no way indicative of the way in which a majority of people use pornography. With most statistics indicating that a majority of males and a sizeable number of females view pornography on a regular basis, it should be immediately obvious that porn doesn't necessarily devolve to the level of addiction described here.

There's a book called "Reefer Madness" (the authour escapes me) that spends about a third of the book on the pornography industry, and the overwhelming evidence is that for a vast majority of people, porn can serve as an occasional distraction without ruining someone's life. Snickers aside, the statistic that most strongly demonstrates that the blog post above is an aberration is given by hotel chains with pay-per-view pornography - the average view time is 11 minutes.


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Scout
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posted 06 April 2006 02:31 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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I don't see why the OP was in the FF in the first place.

Ditto.


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Stargazer
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posted 06 April 2006 02:48 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Snickers aside, the statistic that most strongly demonstrates that the blog post above is an aberration is given by hotel chains with pay-per-view pornography - the average view time is 11 minutes.

This proves absolutley nothing except that the average time it takes to get off is 11 minutes. That's all it proves. Doesn't prove shit about porn addiction.

AA, I just read that blog and I was horrified. I don't know if you'd like to read that but IMHO he made a huge stereotype of gay men and it wasn't pretty. That guy needs help, unfortunately there are a shit load of straight guys just the same. This isn't about sexual identity, it's about some serious issues that mainly men appear to have with porn. The creepy part was that he started acting this out on his partner, and then admitted to going deeper and deeper into areas that may be illegal.


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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 02:50 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by skdadl:
I've given up, AA. I don't see why the OP was in the FF in the first place.

Sorry, I should have thought twice before posting here. I posted on the misunderstanding
HERE.


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anne cameron
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posted 06 April 2006 02:56 PM      Profile for anne cameron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't think there was any "misunderstanding".

I think someone had a series of brain farts and thought he was being smart... or some damn thing... and then got called asshat and realized he was more than a few yards off side.

YELLOW CARD on this one!!


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posted 06 April 2006 03:26 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Goyanamasu, I didn't read your posts here before you deleted them, so I can't really say whether Anne's take on this matter is the right one, but it sounds like it is.

I saw a post you made in another thread the other day that struck me as odd at the time (I think it was the Opus Dei thread, where you've deleted your comments as well). The oddity was in the lack of context for what seemed to be intended as a bit of flirting / innuendo. (Edit: I shouldn't say "lack of context", as there was already some ribaldity in that thread, but your post was personalized to a degree that made me uncomfortable, and I wasn't the one it was directed at. I'd add that I didn't find all of your posts in that thread objectionable, although I have trouble now remembering what you said exactly.)

Innuendo certainly isn't banned on Babble, but as in real life, it's a judgment call as to what the right time and place for it is, and how far you want to take it. It's a matter of thinking before you post, and not posting everything you think.

(Sorry to everyone else for the continuing disruption.)

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skdadl
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posted 06 April 2006 03:37 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Not to worry, Yossarian - hard to interrupt a discussion that never really got going in the first place, eh?
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enki
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posted 06 April 2006 03:49 PM      Profile for enki     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Stargazer:

This proves absolutley nothing except that the average time it takes to get off is 11 minutes. That's all it proves. Doesn't prove shit about porn addiction.


It certainly demonstrates that his typical behaviour of "spending hours" watching porn is abnormal.

Porn addiction is a serious issue, but I don't think there's anything particularly unique about porn that makes it more addictive than any of the other vices that people typically have addictions to. It just so happens to be something that is relatively easy to consume that more or less directly taps in to the pleasure centers of the brain, making it a good candidate for addiction. That doesn't mean it is necessarily addictive.


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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 03:55 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yossarian:
Yes. I think you are right. And I made the wrong judgement call. That's why I deleted the posts.
I really wish I had not offended Anne. As to "brain farts" it just implies they stink. I don't think anyone could ignore one of their own. But there again, jewel or fart is in the eye of the beholder. Being too careful with ideas leads to intellectual constipation, n'est-ce pas?
What to say? You didn't take some oblique remarks I made to you the wrong way, did you? Somebody else might have though. I'm getting to know the lay of the land, maybe I did provoke lagatta beyond the acceptable, I admit. But will back off there. I admire her take on much of reality.
Anne, I'm not going to reply. I have the yellow card on file with you. Keep the orange and red for someone else. Please.

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posted 06 April 2006 04:05 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I edited my post above, so I'll just briefly rephrase what I added there: it can take some practice to get in the habit of thinking before one posts, and not posting everything that one thinks. While you might prefer not to "censor" yourself in this way, it's not a bad practice to get into, as not all thoughts are created equal. Sometimes I've typed an entire (sometimes lengthy) post before I think, "Nah, I'm not really saying anything here", or "Nah, it's not worth raising / continuing this line of discussion". (This post itself barely survived this rigorous process.)

Anyway, think that's all I have to say about this.


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goyanamasu
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posted 06 April 2006 04:19 PM      Profile for goyanamasu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I already follow that advice, Yossarian. I would have been tossed out on my butt long ago if I had not scrapped a few scribbles.
deBeauxOs just set me straight: the pitfall was that to post the thing it was like setting her up with the EXPECTATION that she would play along.

I would be offended if someone took it for granted that I would play their game at the drop of a pin. That's where, on another path, it looks like flirting: pure repartee but without mutual confidence.

I'll be more careful about my one-sidedness.


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posted 06 April 2006 07:04 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks for recognizing the inappropriateness of your comments, goyanamasu. I saw your posts this morning just before leaving and my first impression was of being a little creeped out too, but I didn't have time to think about it before going out the door, and I didn't want to say anything until I was sure I had not mistaken what you'd written.

As for your post in babble banter - I have no idea why you would post a new thread there, especially one that refutes people's interpretations of your posts here after deleting them all, but I'm closing it.


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