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Frustrated Mess
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posted 04 March 2008 03:12 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This marine through that puppy of a cliff for kicks.

YouTube, presumably fulfilling its patriotic duty has removed the video from its site.

The story: [Removed link because it wasn't working and causing sidescroll, and I couldn't find the story online to replace it.]

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posted 04 March 2008 03:54 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Story from LA Times

Associated Press story

And oh god, I found a blog posting that links to the video. I clicked on the link but couldn't watch past them passing the puppy back and forth and saying, "aww, isn't he cute" because I knew what they were going to do.

Sick bastards. And you know what they say about people who torture animals. Torturing and killing people isn't far behind.

I really hope the video was a fake.

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posted 04 March 2008 03:57 PM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ok I'm not clear, are you suggesting this video should be left up on the site?
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posted 04 March 2008 04:04 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good question. Should people be shielded from the inhumanity of some people in the military? These are the guys "winning hearts and minds" in Iraq and Afghanistan, don't forget.

Shouldn't people know that some of the people they put into uniform are cruel, sadistic fucks, and yet they give them guns and send them to Iraq and Afghanistan anyhow?

How do you figure these guys treat women and children in those countries? Why shouldn't people be able to see what kind of monsters the US is willing to put into uniform?


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posted 04 March 2008 04:10 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My answer: because there will be millions of guys going to that website for kicks. It's not just those that kill, it's those that get off on watching killing, it's the imperialist macho culture that makes killing 'entertainment'.
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posted 04 March 2008 04:20 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes it should be left up. These are what the military produces. Sick fucks. And it doesn't stop with cute puppies. Shielding people from the truth leads to claims of "I didn't know".

If we can watch thousands of lives being wiped away with night vision on CNN, we can sure as hell watch this.

ETA: I watched the video and was as sick as you might anticipate. There is a movie available on video. It is called In the Valley of Elah, based on true events and it shows how soldiers from Iraq are returning as psychopaths. I think this is a good example.

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I have an 18 year old daughter, who wants to be a vech tech. She loves horror movies, but freaks if an animal is hurt. She's spent 8 months working at an animal shelter so she knows man's inhumanity to lesser creatures.

My fear is that the link will get circulated around the Internet and she will watch it, without really knowing what it's about.

This would freak her out, and stress her out beyond belief. She's already very anti-American and at her age, context is sometimes lacking.

She also sleep walks under stress and I know whatching this would mess her up big time.


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I appreciate your concerns. That doesn't change the fact that this is a video people ought to see because the soldiers who did this are in Iraq with the authority to take the lives of others as easily as they took the life of that dog.
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posted 04 March 2008 04:55 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't it a bit naive to think that the West doesdn't know about the killing, or that witnessing cruelty will automatically shock people out of complacency about it? The war against Irak has been sold as a spectacle from Day One and porn feeds cruelty to young males day in and day out.

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I know I know, and as much as I want to shelter my child from the evils of the world, she needs to toughen her skin for what the world holds.
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posted 04 March 2008 04:59 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There you are, FM, witnessing the horror toughens people skin and makes it more acceptable.
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Not accepatble, but tough so that instead of dissovling in tears and hiding, fighting back and doing something about it
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posted 04 March 2008 05:40 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Plus the soldiers are not in Iraq, but Hawaii for whatever difference that makes.
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There you are, FM, witnessing the horror toughens people skin and makes it more acceptable.

Yes, and the meek shall inherit the earth. Or what is less of it.

The reason so much horror takes place is because the majority of us either want it hidden from us, so we can pretend it isn't there, or we hide ourselves from it so as not to have to confront it. As we can witness on a global scale, such tactics have failed miserably.

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing," Albert Einstein. He might have added, or look away.

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Plus the soldiers are not in Iraq, but Hawaii for whatever difference that makes.

They are based in Hawaii but according to the blog posting Michelle posted they killed the dog in Iraq. It makes a difference if you consider that men capable of extreme cruelty and hardened to killing are now walking among civilians. And if it didn't happen in Iraq and they were never there ... well, then they're all home grown.

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quote:
Originally posted by martin dufresne:
Isn't it a bit naive to think that the West doesdn't know about the killing, or that witnessing cruelty will automatically shock people out of complacency about it? The war against Irak has been sold as a spectacle from Day One and porn feeds cruelty to young males day in and day out.
The case of the Abu Ghraib atrocity photographs is a powerful argument against your point of view. They did an enormous amount to galvanize opposition to the war and US torture practices.

USAnians need to be shocked, and shocked again, before they will recognize the evil that is being done in their name. If anything, they have been shielded from the truth for too long.


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They did an enormous amount to galvanize opposition to the war and US torture practices.
And yet anti-war demonstrations are drawing much less people, the U.S. has remained free to pump more soldiers into the Middle-East ("the Surge"), none of the current presidential candidates is talking immediate nor complete withdrawal, torture and violation of the Geneva Convention goes on - acknowledged -, Israeel steps up its genocidal politics with continuing support from the population, Iran could be bombed any day the "West" decides to do so... Is a "galvanized opposition" that more effective in a context of relentless self-advertising by the killers and of an entertainment industry constantly selling violence as the good/moral (or cool/amoral) thing to do?
Wish I had an answer to that, other than my desire to take the toys from the boys - including that video.

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posted 04 March 2008 07:47 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Suppressing the awful truth is an ultimately self-defeating strategy.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bacchus:
Plus the soldiers are not in Iraq, but Hawaii for whatever difference that makes.

Having spent some time in Hawaii, I guarantee you that wasn't filmed there. The geography is all wrong, as is the construction in the background.


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