The Japanese Defense and Foreign Affairs Committe was discussing Japan's continued contribution to the US in Afghanistan. Fujita questioned Japan's continuing support for the US 'war on terror' and the US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq because he believes there are too many doubts about 9/11 which is the main reason Japan is currently supporting the US.

During Fujita's presentation, a staffer holds up large photos and diagrams such as photos of the damaged Pentagon with a plane superimposed on the photo illustrating conflicts with the official story. These photos and diagrams appear to be from a variety of 9/11 Truth sites.

Fujita also asks the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister about, and requests, investigation by Japanese authorities into Japanese citizens killed in New York on September 11, 2008, instead of just taking US authorities word (no Japanese investigations were done). These are exactly the kind of questions and requests Canadian MPs should have/be making of our government.

Below is a English translation of Yukihisa Fujita's questions in the Japanese Parliament done by Benjamin Fulford who is a Canadian writer and journalist living in Japan:

http://benjaminfulford.com/Transcript%20of%20Japanese%20Parliamentary%20disc ussion%20of%20911.html

The video of his presentation is on YouTube in three parts (no English sub-titles):

"Was Al-Qaeda the real suspect?" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9PQayrX-s

"Why the WTC towers collapsed?" :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhlYD0uguiQ

"How could terrorists attacked the Pentagon?" :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LHUInaZ9M

The entire presentation is also available via streaming video at link below, beginning at 18 minutes into the stream (no English sub-titles):

Link to video at http://www.webtv.sangiin.go.jp[/URL]

More information on Yukihisa Fujita:

Yukihisa Fujita's website:
http://www.y-fujita.com/
(translate to English using
http://babel.altavista.com/)

Wikipedia Yukihisa Fujita entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihisa_Fujita

[ 14 January 2008: Message edited by: CanadianAlien ]

A Japanese member of legislature questions the Japanese Prime Minister, Foreign Minister and Finance Minister about the veracity of the US story of 9/11 and not one comment and all I can hear in this forum is the chirping of crickets?

At least, does no one have anything to say about Fujita's comments that it is the US war on terror and invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq that are the things inflicting terror on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq and other affected people? It seems a natural subject on this forum.

Have you all just become so dismissive of information because it is associated with 'conspiracy theory'?

I used to work in a public office. We used to have a woman come in to our office regularly to lecture us about 9/11. One Saturday, after I'd had to ask her to leave the day before, she saw me at the Farmers' Market and just went off on me. It was unbelievable. She was screaming and screaming. I'll never forget it.

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Regardless of 9/11, I'm sure that most Canadians accord with the sentiments of this Japanese politician on the support of the U.S. and its presence in Afghanistan and the phony "war on terror" by the world's most dangerous terrorist.

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The Japanese Defense and Foreign Affairs Committe was discussing Japan's continued contribution to the US in Afghanistan. Fujita questioned Japan's continuing support for the US 'war on terror' and the US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq because he believes there are too many doubts about 9/11 which is the main reason Japan is currently supporting the US.

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On 9/11 I don't doubt the physical damage occurred, as reported. Whether more could have been done to have prevented it is another matter.

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I used to work in a public office. We used to have a woman come in to our office regularly to lecture us about 9/11. One Saturday, after I'd had to ask her to leave the day before, she saw me at the Farmers' Market and just went off on me. It was unbelievable. She was screaming and screaming. I'll never forget it.

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On 9/11 I don't doubt the physical damage occurred, as reported. Whether more could have been done to have prevented it is another matter.

With G.W. Bush's election under scrutiny, at the time, the event certainly did not hurt him.

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Are you interested in seeing more investigation into whether it could have been prevented? You appear to insinuate that scrutiny was removed by not preventing it ... that would imply active role. That alone would be headline news, were it found to be true.

Do you not find it curious that even though a Japanese member of parliament states some of the same views you have just expressed, in an on-camera session of legislative committee but it is not reported in any major media? Wouldn't you want your Canadian MPs to ask the same questions of our government?

Yukihisa Fujita said in Japan's parliament:

1. The central movitating reason for Japan's involvement was 9/11.

2. If the Japanese don't have complete knowledge about 9/11, then they should investigate 9/11 to their satisfaction.

Canada should be asking the same questions. Why? Because Canadians shouldn't be dying for lies.

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Canadian soldier killed in Afghanistan
Globe and Mail Update

January 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM EST

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Another Canadian Forces soldier was killed by a roadside bomb this morning, in what's already turning out to be an exceptionally bloody week of insurgent activity in Afghanistan.

Trooper Richard Renaud, 26, of Alma Que., a member of the 12th Regiment of Blinde du Canada, Val Cartier, Que., was killed in the blast.

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However, I believe this forum is read by people who can make a difference. So, if the moderators are OK with it, I will continue to post more info on this topic as it comes in. It meets the criteria ... it is international news and politics, and it is new material, and no major news source is reporting on this.

Therefore, here is a new link to a set of newly created videos with English sub-titles of Yukihisa Fujita's presentation and questions to Japanese Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee including the Japanese Prime Minister, Finance Minister and Foreign Minister.

Make up your own minds. Believe it or not ... imagine this happening in the Canadian Parliament! It happened in the Japanese Parliament!

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However, I believe this forum is read by people who can make a difference. So, if the moderators are OK with it, I will continue to post more info on this topic as it comes in

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You hit us with eight links in that first post. Too, too much, in my opinion. The story is less the actual or imagined conspiracy, than continued support by the Japanese government of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan. This, your title might have reflected.

There is, perhaps, a fear that we Babbling sophisticates be linked with those conspiracy theorists. 911 has received much debate in the past, and I doubt this will now achieve the interminable length of, say, a discussion around the NDP and religion.

I did read the whole transcript in the first link and found that very interesting.

However, today, I will respond with a thought from my perspective as to why I do not bother to discuss this.

Wars have been manufactured out of created incidents for a very long time, perhaps millenia. If 911 was a created incident, it is nothing new under the sun. And it is a product of those in control wanting to maintain control and further it to global porportions.

The only way to stop these manufactured incidents that are used to have a war, is by changing the dynamics of how the world works, and to fight for absolute equality and sharing of the world's wealth with all and by getting rid of power concentrated in the hands of a few.

Thus, until society, en masse, is ready to make that change to get rid of hegemony, such manufactured incidents will continue to occur. So I prefer to use my time furthering equality strivations as opposed to railing about the latest manufactured incident.

Every six monthes or so I get an email by different acquaintances all of whom I normally would classify as ´non-political´(in the sense that they don´t follow politics closely or hold very strong opinions or partisan loyalties) with a link to a ´9-11 was an inside job´ video. My first thought is always that they must be depressed but maybe I´m just projecting my own feelings on the matter.

Gaius Julius Caesar.

Most such incidents are not manufactured, they happen on their own and are spun into casus belli after the fact. The sinking of the Maine is commonly believed to have been an accident, but it was used as an excuse to start the Spanish-American war. Likewise, the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand did not merit an invasion of Serbia, but political machinations of the Austro-Hungarian Empire turned that into World War 1.

Its heartening to see that doubt exists, if not completely in the specifics in the case of 9/11, at least that governments are as pristine as they purport to be or citizens believe them to be.

However, the apparent cynicism, apathy or laissez faire that is expressed above in the face of this doubt is not so encouraging. Oh, I'll certainly not claim to have been occassionally apathetic when confronted with the any of the myriad and apparently ceaseless stream of unaddressed indignities and injustices in our world. I often feel as if I can't make a change or muster the energy to combat these. In fact, I am not an activist by nature and to be honest really can be quite cynical.

But, regarding 9/11, I have made a decision, or rather, I have been compelled to take do what I can to call attention to the doubts. It just seems too big and the effects of it have invaded all quarters of our society with such persistence, far beyond just invading Iraq.

I found a wallet on the street a couple of weeks ago. It had a hundred dollars in it, photos, credit cards, etc. I turned it into the nearest police station. maybe this sounds cheesy, but by writing here about my doubts about 9/11, I feel i am doing no more and no less than turning the wallet into the police. And that is what it seemed to me is what Yukihisa Fujita and most other "9/11 truthers" are doing. The problem is that the police seem to be keeping the wallet for themselves, and to boot, are labelling me a deviant for being so honest, and telling people they stole the wallet.

[ 16 January 2008: Message edited by: CanadianAlien ]

Mr. Fujita has indicated at his blog that a transcript of his questions and the ministers' answers will be posted as soon as it is complete.

He's written an article about his intent in asking the questions, here:

http://www.election.ne.jp/10870/37036.html

Paraphrased, Fujita wrote: "Since I asked questions about 'investigation of the multiple terror events of 9/11' at the Jan.10 session of the Foreign Relations and Defence Committee, I have been receiving feedback from many people, including some from abroad."

Fujita doesn't provide details, such as the number of replies, or percentage of pro vs con commentary. He mentions that 2 people referred to a book titled "The Trap of the Conspiracy Theory." (The translator says people occasionally refer to this book in related Japanese blogs and suspects it is Japan's equivalent to David Ray Griffin's books.)

Fujita's blog also gives a brief recap of his questions' main points. He emphasizes the fact that the Japanese government's information about 9/11 relied entirely on the Bush administration's word. Given Japan's history as a German ally in WW II, it is not surprising that Fujita includes a statement along the lines of "I am neither an anti-Semite, nor am I a conspiracy theorist."

Fujita's comments on his blog include a long list of linked references, divided into 3 sections as follows:

1. Opinion polls from around the world - includes all the 9/11 polls that are familiar to the 9/11 truth movement, including a Toronto Star poll showing that 63% of Canadians accept the MIHOP theory, and a worldwide CNN poll showing 75% answered "Yes" to the question, "Do you believe 9/11 was staged by the US?" (Only 12.5% in CNN poll believed the official US conspiracy theory.)

2. Quotes by international and American statesmen - includes Italy's former president Cossiga who recently expressed his doubts that 9/11 happened as the US official story would have us believe, Canada's former Minister of Defence Paul Hellyer, as well as others from Russia, Norway, France, Belgium, Britain. Americans listed are limited to Max Cleland, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich who have publicly expressed doubts of some, though not all, parts of the official 9/11 story.

3. Quotes by various experts - includes a detailed list of Stephen E. Jones' findings re evidence of thermate in WTC dust and building metal, and former American air traffic controller Robin Hordon. Also included are a variety of, mostly US, military experts who have questioned the plausibility of the US official theory of 9/11.

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Japanese Councilor (Senator) Mr. Yukihisa Fujita Questions the Official US 911 Story

It was historical and exciting to watch 911 truth being questioned at the Japanese Diet (Parliament) on Jan 10, 2008. For the first time in Japan serious questions were first asked as to the legitimacy of Japans support for the US 'War On Terror'. The proceedings were aired live on NHK TV (Japan Broadcasting Corporation). See the full session below on YouTube, with English subtitles... A transcript can be read here.

Though the session was broadcast live on NHK TV, no newspaper or TV new program on that day or in the days following has mentioned it. Only people who happened to be watching TV at the time it was broadcast know of it, and that, of course, is not so many people.

It is quite obvious that the media here is Japan is controlled by powers that do not want this topic to be brought to the attention of the population in general.

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ZERO In the European Parliament of Brussels
February 26, 2008 at 19h, PHS 3C50. Evening organized by l’Eurodéputé Italian Giulietto Chiesa.

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The screening will be followed by a discussion about 9/11 by Andreas von Bulow, Giulietto Chiesa, David Ray Griffin, Yukihisa Fujita.

Giulietto Chiesa (journalist and Italian politician, Member of the Commission d’enquête of the European Parliament on the secret prisons of the CIA),

Andreas von Bulow (former German Minister and specialist in the secret service),

Dr. David Ray Griffin (author of four books of reference over September 11 and specialist in the processes d’étude) and

Yukihisa Fujita (elected Japanese official)

L’Europe for an Independent Commission d’Enquête over September 11, 2001

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Get up, get get
get down
Nine-one-one is a joke in yo' town

Richard Rigg, MLA for the Social Democratic Party (SDP) speaking in the Manitoba Legislature in 1916.

Whatever the causes of 911 (and it is impossible for any one who examines it in detail to believe the official spin), the timing and effect of it have been perfect.

Before 911, the news was a continual barrage of corporate fraud and excess (Enron in particular). Demands were increasing around the world for action.

After 911 - the elites have used the never ending "war on terror" to transform the world to their image.

There are serious questions about what really happened on 911. But there can be no question who has gained from it. The only way it will end is for a new generation of Riggs to begin speaking about the issues that really matter instead of pushing to replace the black cats with the white ones.

ETA: Can you imagine ANY of our current crop of "progressive" politicians saying about Afghanistan what Riggs said about WW1 in any Legislature in our country?

Also ETA: Many on the left considered the SDP too "moderate" and a sellout party. Imagine what they would say about today's political culture.

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CanadianAlien: thanks for the updates, do keep them coming. I think the "hot" phase of the "who did 9/11/01" debate has long passed. A lot of people have had their say already. But by no means does that mean it's a dead topic - it's just cooled down to a kind of steady-state discussion. I imagine the same thing happened with the JFK assassination.

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Before 911, the news was a continual barrage of corporate fraud and excess (Enron in particular). Demands were increasing around the world for action.

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I agree. When people say that the US could have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq without 9/11, I think sure, but 9/11's real impact manifests in this very different world you describe, due to the US official story and ongoing response to 9/11.

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And so what if Cheney, Bush, Silverstein, et al were ever tried and convicted for their murderous WTC demolitions? Would that be enough of a catalyst to stimulate the deeper change needed to make this a more equitable, less polluted world?

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I am glad that others are paying attention. Thank you.

Would it be a catalyst for change? Maybe. Though I'm cynical enough to posit that even that could be drowned out by Britney's ongoing troubles. But darn it, I am taking that wallet down to the police station regardless.

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We live in a different world because of 9/11 and the US official story and ongoing response to 9/11.

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BTW, I don't have a 'theory' about 9/11. I just call bullsh*t on the story that purports to be truth.

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USA, was attacking, and would have continued to attack Iraq, as they did through out the Clinton years. The first full scale invasion and occupation plans were first drawn up under Clinton. The fix was in way before 9/11, and the appearance of an effective Casus Beli was convenient, even if not planned.

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Either way, the mere knowledge of the corruption of US political institutios will not change anything, because as much as anything else, without a concrete proposal for effective change this theory, and the knowledge of it, does nothing but generate depressive cynicism.

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I disagree. This is no mere thing. Descent into cynicism is a reaction. Knowledge is power. Power to set agendas, make plans and decide based on fact.

Further, it is not naivety, but lack of knowledge that leads most to defend the status quo.

I don't recognize that as a fact. I recognize that most people are resigned to the status quo. Most people are quite well aware there are serious problems, they just don't know what to do about it.

It is very flattering to ones personal ego to believe that one is privy to the true secrets of the powerful, because in a way, it is a manner of sharing that power, through ones knowledge of the secret, one imagines that one take on a share in that power. It is very elitest to imagine that you are spreading the arcane secret knowledge of the illuminati to the unwashed masses. It seems you're fundamental assumption is that most people are stupid.

Most people harbour deep suspicions about the events of 9/11. That is the true fact.

For one thing, it is completely plain and evident, just based on the official record, and even within the official story that the operation was carried out by people with a long standing history of working with the CIA. This is no secret.

Yet the mere knowledge of this fact has not changed anything, nor has shaken the foundations of the corruption in US politics, because people are jaded and cynical, and have no political basis for opposing the power they confront.

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Not at all. That is an unfair characterization. I believe there is prima facie evidence to warrant further investigation. I hold no secret knowledge.

The knowledge i refer to is really not available. The required knowledge would be that held in the official record in government, judicial system, and the media. We require these institutions to 'validate' knowledge before we act.

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Most people harbour deep suspicions about the events of 9/11. That is the true fact.

For one thing, it is completely plain and evident, just based on the official record, and even within the official story that the operation was carried out by people with a long standing history of working with the CIA. This is no secret.

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The problem is that most aren't ready to act is that the official record of 9/11 is riddled with lies and omissions, and there is no reliable 'official' source that can provide the knowledge needed to act.

Consider the Air India investigations. The story was advanced by media, then government and courts after an initial pause but then dug up some startling facts that were 'conspiracy theory' up to that point.

The fact that the entire Canadian populace wasn't up in arms about Air India prior to the investigations continuing, doesn't mean they were cynical. Many people read the story, but it was a small group that pushed for more investigation and finally got it.

In the case of 9/11 government, the courts and the media are ignoring it - so we are lacking that knowledge we require to act.

The topic of this thread is evidence of that. Yukihisa Fujita showed material, that is derided by the US Dept of State as conspiracy theory, in a sober and serious manner in the Japanese parliament, and it was not mentioned in our media, never mind by our politicians, and judiciary.

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Not at all. Further elucidation of the record is not going to change the general malaise.

The reality is that there was substantial public awareness about the official story about the attack on Pearl Harbour. Dewey in 44 actually made stump speeches about how Roosevelt knew before hand. This did not change anything.

Nor did the general supicions that people had about the assassination of JFK, change anything. In fact there is a plethora of popular movies and books published with good research that indicate there were problems in the investigation of the killing, and very many many people doubt the official story.

Everyone has known for years that the official line on Tonkin Gulf incident was a crock of shit, and that means nothing whatsoever. Tales about the Kirov assassination and Stalin's roll in killing Leningrad's favourite liutenant has been a cottage industry for years, yet none of the corruption in Soviet society was ever reveresed by the sudden appearance of new knowledge, because when it was revealed, the powers that be simply said, we are sorry, had someone thrown in jail and said it won't happen again.

Likewise, even if some "other explanation" becomes current in the elite of the USA, all that will happen is that specific persons will be blamed, and they will be ideologically shuffled from the "good guys" column to the "bad guys" column of the morality index, and things will go on as they have before.

And this last point is why I brought up the CIA and their long standing connections with Al Queda. Wether or not you believe the official version, the fact is that if we assume its true, we see how they have so artfully moved these former "intelligence assets" from the "good guy" ledger to the "bad guy" ledger. All that was needed was to isolate a culprit, and cut them off, essentially moving the ideological spectrum to exclude some people as allies, no matter how much evidence there is that the whole Al Queda thing at one time was a wholely owned subsidiary of the National Security Aparatus.

Same thing with Saddam. They just shifted him ideologically from a position in 1987 where he symbolized moral rectitude, to the point where he became the official enemy. They even go so far as to attack him for using the weapons that they so happily supplied him. Check the record, it was quite well known, and even a matter of congressional debate that Saddam was using gas, and that the US under Reagan was supporting him.

What is the result? A big re-evaluation of the miltiary industrial complex, the national security establishment and the corporate capitalism? Not at all... they just cut him out of the loop.

Look at Noreiga... same thing.

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These exemplify the issue. "Awareness', "supicions", "tales" are not to be denigrated, it is people calling b*llshit that should instigate the validated knowledge that we require, however we need knowledge that can only come from serious, independent media investigation and reporting, real political response, official independent inquiry.

Imagine if the Air India investigations had never happened. There would have been suspicion about the veracity of the official account but it would just be that, suspicion. Look what came from that investigation: people were asleep on the job, the airline cut corners at the expense of safety, our officials were lax, and it cost 100's of lives. Lets find out the same about what happened to the lives of 25 Canadians who died on 9/11, and those Canadian soldiers who are dying in Afghanistan for a lie.

Yukihisa Fujita asked serious, sober and important questions in his country's legislature doubting the US official story but there was no media report in Canada or the US. There was generalized media report of Japanese reticence to continue participating in Afghanistan, so obviously they knew that Fujita was making serious allegations about US official 9/11 story, but choose not to report on that.

If a few punters get thrown to the dogs so be it.

Look at Oliver North, he is practically a hero among a substantial group of Americans because he actively undermined the constitution he swore to protect.

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In a related Canada connection, Ms. Yumi Kikuchi, Japanese peace and environmental activist will speak Saturday, February 23, 2-4 pm, at the Unitarian Church of Vancouver, 949 West 49th Ave.

Creating Peace: What a person can do to make a difference

An organizer of the Vancouver Yumi Kikuchi event reports that just a couple of days ago, before Ms. Kikuchi left Japan, she gave a private 9/11 presentation to a roomful of Democratic Party of Japan lawmakers (Fujita's party).

A couple of attendees were knowledgeable about the topic, though quite a few were dumbfounded by what they learned. When asked if they would go public, Kikuchi said, "No. They're afraid of being labeled 'conspiracy theorists'."

Ms. Kikuchi is founder and chair of JUMP (Japan United for Ministries of Peace) and organizer of the 3rd Global Summit for Ministries and Departments of Peace a Japanese event that gathered advocates of Ministries and Departments of Peace from 21 countries on 5 continents, to discuss transition of governments and the global community from sustained war to sustainable peace. She also worked to organize the Tokyo International Tribunal for War Crimes in Afghanistan, which adjudicated the U.S. administration's use of depleted uranium (DU) weapons there as "crimes against humanity, genocide and omnicide." Yumi has also been a leading figure in the 9/11 Truth movement. Yumi has also written and translated over 10 books, including Addicted To War; Butterfly; What I've Learned About US Foreign Policy; Dennis Kucinich (published in Japan only); The Legacy of Luna and The New Pearl Harbor.

Yumi Kickuchi Blog

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Europarlementarian Guilietto Chiesa invited his colleagues and the press to attend the Tuesday 26th February screening and debate of the Italian-produced documentary named ‘ZERO, an investigation into the events of 9/11’. 300 people showed up with 6 Europarlementarians and 2 journalists among them.

More details web page about halfway down the page the English translated notes begin.

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Question: ‘Mr Fujita, how did you become involved?’

Fujita: ‘I work for several Japanese NGO’s and one of those people showed me some videos and books. At first I couldn’t believe it. So I saw Loose Change and read Dr Griffin’s books. And last year a good friend of mine who has a very high position at the German national bank told me about the put options that were placed on American Airlines and United Airlines. I believed him. And reading Dr Griffin’s book, looking at his reputation, I have every reason to believe him. That’s when I realised that every truth finding effort has to be continued. So I gave a presentation in the Japanese parliament (which is extensively covered on YouTube – ed. note). But I feel the truthers find their information mostly by internet. The truth should not only go by internet. It should now go political! Networking is very important. We must all work together.’

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False Flag Prospects 2008 By Captain Eric H. May - Military Correspondent

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Amongst the many dedicated and talented activists in attendance besides Japanese MP Yukihisa Fujita were Italian MEP Giulietto Chiesa, Icelandic writer and scholar Elias Davidsson, Associate Professor at the Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen Niels Harrit and international war law expert and founder of The Campaign to Make War History Mr Chris Coverdale.

Saturday evening saw the first preview of Dean Pucketts trailer for his forthcoming film 'The Elephant in the Room' shortly followed by a screening of Italian film 'Zero' (which was shown in European Parliament a few days earlier).

Sunday morning featured a presentation of WTC 7 evidence from Professor Niels Harrit followed in the afternoon by a presentation and discussion of war law by Chris Coverdale which ran parallel with a workshop on grassroots activism.

Countries represented; France, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Iceland, Sweden, Ireland, Denmark, Belgium, Scotland & England.

more details here

Fujita was interviewed while in Australia and made some very startling but sober comments.

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=585675

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Councilor Fujita said that at first Japan sent some teams of government officials to investigate but they did not investigate the question of who did it and how the Japanese citizens were killed but they went there more to find the bodies of Japanese victims, and have not been able to confirm several issues.

"I asked if a DNA test was conducted, their answer was that they do not know. So the government has the identities of those 24 killed on September 11th but only 13 were confirmed dead because of delays of DNA tests still being conducted yet to be confirmed. The delay came about because of the sentence of a United States court, not physical evidence. The US court has confirmed only 11 dead, but we do not know if DNA testing was performed on those."

He added "11 were said to be dead because of the sentence of the U.S. court, so I asked if that meant if they did have DNA tests, and Japanese government officials who had travelled to USA said they 'did not know.'"

"Councilor Fujita [said] "I am quite doubtful about the commission report as they did not mention how or why [Building 7] collapsed, I am not satisfied about the explantion of Flight 93 [on which one Japanese citizen died], I am not satisfied about explanations about the attack on the Pentagon, and about possible insider trading which took place before 911."

and, "... that the United States government "did not explain how such a large plane could create such a small hole in the Pentagon, and a lot of evidence and doubts are now exposed, so it is the U.S. government's responsibility to be accountable to those facts.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzppUxwZKC0

Hon. Stephen Joseph Harper
Member of Parliament for Calgary West
House of Commons
Parliament Buildings
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6

February 26, 2008

Dear Mr. Harper:

We are sending you, and all other Members of Parliament, the enclosed DVD because we believe it provides a brave example of how you could voice your doubts about the official record of September 11, 2001.

The DVD contains a January 10, 2008 video of a presentation (with English sub-titles) by Japanese Councilor Yukihisa Fujita of the Democratic Party of Japan before a session of the Japanese Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee which was broadcast live on Japanese NHK television. Fujita was presenting directly to Prime Minister Fukuda, who was the Chief Cabinet Secretary under Koizumi cabinet in 2001, Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba, Minister of Finance Fukushiro Nukaga and many other government ministers and councilors. As you may know, this session was called to debate Japan's continued refueling mission contributions to the military operations conducted by the United States of America in Afghanistan. Fujita and his party argued that the refueling mission violates Japan's pacifist constitution, and has not been approved formally by the United Nations.

Further, Fujita stated that the official account put forth by the U.S. administration for the terrible events of September 11, 2001 defies reason and that Japan’s involvement in Afghanistan and the so-called ‘war on terror’ need to be re-evaluated because of this. Fujita voiced tough questions about allegations of insider trading, DNA identification of victims, and the attacks on the Pentagon and the WTC towers, and WTC 7’s unusual collapse. During Fujita's presentation, a staffer holds up large graphics illustrating problems with the official story. Fujita also questions if the Japanese government and/or authorities conducted their own independent investigations into Japanese citizens killed in New York on September 11, 2008 instead of simply taking the U.S. administration’s word.

The questions asked by Councilor Fujita are exactly the kind of questions that we, and literally millions of other Canadians, are waiting for Canadian MPs to ask. Take notice that during his presentation Fujita’s colleagues were serious and respectful and not a single point was raised to challenge any of the claims made by him. We look forward to the day when a Canadian MP will show similar courage in our parliament. Will that brave Canadian MP be you Mr. Harper?

Yours Sincerely,

5 Directors and 80 Members
Vancouver 9/11 Truth Society

Encl: DVD January 10, 2008 Yukihisa Fujita Diet Presentation (The presentation on this DVD is also available online at: http://www.911video.de/ex/jap111.htm)

Yukihisa Fujita contact information:
Website: http://www.y-fujita.com/
Email: [email protected]
Tel: (029)-297-8222
Fax (029)-297-8221

[ 17 March 2008: Message edited by: CanadianAlien ]

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Read the thread.

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Originally posted by unionist:

That's one reason such fables (and the JFK assassination, etc.) have such an ongoing market in the U.S. They have convinced themselves they are so invulnerable that only they can hurt themselves.

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You don't think the Republican cabal/murder inc. were capable of lying, do you?

DARPA-Grumman Pilotless planes Edwards AFB to S. Australia in two clicks of a mouse Dec. 19, 2002

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"The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society." John F. Kennedy

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[ 26 March 2008: Message edited by: Fidel ]

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You don't think the Republican cabal/murder inc. were capable of lying, do you?

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Fidel, all these conspiracy theories are based on the following underlying logic:

1. The U.S. is all-powerful and all-knowing - nothing can happen in the world without its permission or complicity.

2. No way can a handful of inferior non-white individuals outwit and outmanoeuvre the greatest nation on the face of the earth.

3. Therefore, the all-powerful ones did it themselves.

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Fidel, all these conspiracy theories are based on the following underlying logic:

1. The U.S. is all-powerful and all-knowing - nothing can happen in the world without its permission or complicity.

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But in a way they are. No country is as technologically advanced as the U.S. They had a head start to begin with and never relinquished that advantage. That's a fact not conspiracy.

The official truth is, they did blame the brown people for 9-11. Conspiracy theories are an attempt to reveal truth where evidence for it is missing and perhaps lacking on purpose. A German court couldn't pin any more than four years' worth of prison sentence on the alleged masterminds for lack of hard evidence, no thanks to homeland secrecy feds in the U.S.

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2. No way can a handful of inferior non-white individuals outwit and outmanoeuvre the greatest nation on the face of the earth.

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I think there may well have been al Qaeda agents on those planes. Their job was to murder the pilots and bail. The planes became, at some point after that, pilotless drones? Maybe Allah took control of the flight computer after that. I don't know.

But we do know, absolutely, that DARPA-Northrop-Grumman announced development of the technology to fly large planes to a continent several time zones away, and perform a pin-point landing without a human pilot or navigator in the cockpit, several months before 9-11 An intercontinental flight was controlled by just two mouse clicks according to The Economist magazine. With one finger, I can count the number of federal agencies with favoured military contractor's help capable of producing high tech like that.

Perhaps you don't think affluent white people are stupid enough to use something like this intentionally and willfully for the purpose of killing poor brown-skinned people in other countries, but I do. Brown or white, we're all the same in the black heart of the neocon and not in the egalitarian social sense.

Therefore, the all-powerful ones did it themselves [Himself]

Yes, it does sound like a diabolical plot.

[ 26 March 2008: Message edited by: Fidel ]

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all these conspiracy theories are based on the following underlying logic:

1. The U.S. is all-powerful and all-knowing - nothing can happen in the world without its permission or complicity.

2. No way can a handful of inferior non-white individuals outwit and outmanoeuvre the greatest nation on the face of the earth.

3. Therefore, the all-powerful ones did it themselves.

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So in other words, you all just want to really believe it was Bushco, because so far, I haven't seen anything to back up any claims.

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Originally posted by CanadianAlien:
Sorry pal, but the reality is more along the lines of Margaret Mead's quote: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

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What have you seen? Or do you simply "believe"?

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I've read.

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Good. Anything on aircraft crashes leaving wreckage on the ground? For example, parts with serial numbers on them? Such as CVRs and FDRs, invariably recovered from such events? Or any ONE of hundreds of serial-numbered parts found on ALL aircraft and logged into the Maintenance manuals?

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Sorry, are you referring to the Bush clique, or the hijackers?

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Ask me a specific question and I'll provide a specific answer. Where would you like to start?

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Okay,

1. How do four new pilots, and whose training instructors said they couldn't be trusted to fly Cessna's solo around an airport, fly combat maneuvers hundreds of miles away and slam into buildings with heavy passenger planes with direct hits? Besides not being white or rather, pink, they apparently didn't log enough flying hours to be proficient small plane pilots all on their lonesome.

2. Where were the two missing global hawks at the exact same time the Pentagon was kamikaze'd ?

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Okay, where were the two missing global hawks at the exact same time the Pentagon was kamikaze'd ?

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The problem with Global Hawks, Predators or any other UAV is that they require a launch point, which would involve a large number of people being in the loop. The "missing" Global Hawk story is probably misinfo, no bits of debris were ever attributed to this vehicle or any other, B757s included. The small piece of fuselage shown on the lawn probably came from the B757 which crashed at Cali, Colombia in 1995.

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The "missing" Global Hawk story is probably misinfo, no bits of debris were ever attributed to this vehicle or any other, B757s included. The small piece of fuselage shown on the lawn probably came from the B757 which crashed at Cali, Colombia in 1995.

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I think you use the word probably too often. How can we be sure it wasn't GlobalHawk guidance equipment installed on flight 77?
eta: Cali crash? 1995? Why?

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I think you use the word probably too often. How can we be sure it wasn't GlobalHawk guidance equipment installed on flight 77?
eta: Cali crash? 1995? Why?

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According to the BTS, Flt 77 (and Flt 11) were NOT scheduled to fly on 9/11/01. IOW, the aircraft did not leave the ground. The only guidance system thus req'd would have been the "Follow Me" truck.
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. One guy once said, "give me half an hour and I'll bring you 100 people who will swear they saw Robin fly the Batplane into the Pentagon wall".

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Aha! So there's a new twist to the plot. It seems to me there are more questions than answers.

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Hardly a new twist, Fidel. The BTS stats were common knowledge at the time. They are in the public domain.

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You're asking me to be specific about the number and type of animals on board Noah's Ark.

Ask me a specific question and I'll provide a specific answer. Where would you like to start?

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Official version of 9/11 - we both know it

Your version of 9/11 - only you know it

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Sorry, are you referring to the Bush clique, or the hijackers?

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Neither in specific. The quote was in reply to those who insinuate it was the (entire) 'US Government' though that "small group of thoughtful, committed citizens" are likely part of or otherwise have influence on it.

BTW, Mr. Richard Gage, AIA, a San Francisco based architect, and the founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, will be speaking Saturday, April 19th at 7:00 pm at Vancouver Public Library’s Alice McKay Room, 350 West Georgia Street.

Event details and ticket purchase

[ 29 March 2008: Message edited by: CanadianAlien ]

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Every month I get a few e-mails from people who want to reveal to me the real truth about the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The truth, according to my correspondents, always involves some incredibly elaborate conspiracy theory in which the U.S. government staged the attacks to justify the so-called war on terror and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

These theories are invariably absurd on their face (for one thing, they assume a genuinely superhuman level of malevolent competence on the part of the Bush administration). Yet despite all their superficial absurdity, the claims of the 9/11 Truthers touch on a deeper truth, which is as ironic as it is disturbing.

That deeper truth is contained in their claims that the real meaning of 9/11 has very little to do with the standard account given by our government and media. While the 9/11 Truth movement is easy to dismiss as a product of various paranoid delusions, the irony is that the respectable version of what happened on 9/11 is itself a reflection of strikingly similar patterns of thought.

The respectable version - the version that was more or less accepted by all Very Serious People at the time of the invasion of Iraq - goes like this: The 9/11 attacks were merely an early strike in a war against the United States. This war is being carried out by something called Radical Islam, of which the al-Qaida terrorist network is only one small branch.

Radical Islam is a global conspiracy, made up of a significant minority of the world's more than 1 billion Muslims. It includes the governments of nations like Iran and Syria, and one of its key supporters was Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime.

The goal of Radical Islam is world domination through the creation of a global caliphate, which requires, among other things, the complete destruction of the United States and the conversion of our surviving population to the most extreme form of Islamic fundamentalism, as practiced in nations such as Saudi Arabia.

Iraq had to be invaded because Saddam Hussein was trying to build atomic weapons - weapons that he might well give to terrorist groups that were his allies in Radical Islam's quest to destroy America.

This, I repeat, was (and to a significant extent still is), the respectable interpretation of the meaning of 9/11. When anyone questioned the evidence for this view, Very Serious Politicians like Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would say things like "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

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It's easy to lose sight of this because while the 9/11 Truthers remain quarantined on obscure Web sites, the paranoid conspiracy theorists currently in charge of American foreign policy continue to appear regularly on network television and on the opinion pages of our leading newspapers

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And so they admit that there was a conspiracy by right-rightist whackos, the same ones still running their country into the ground - to smear Saddam with forged bill of sales for yellowcake - forged by their old NATO-Gladio allies based out of Italy. That last part we have to fill in the blanks ourselves, because Campo is having no part of conspiracy theories, even though he and his moderate friends can't seem to do anything about getting rid of the right-wing whackos still abusing power in Warshington. Campo and his army of sensible moderates will get Dubya and Murder Incorporated next time, next election. Just we wait and see. [as he palms his therapy ball hand over hand] Things will be completely different once warmongering Liberal plutocrats are at the helm.

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Heading them off at the pass in pre-emptive fashion

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The 9-11 truthers are worried about a security company doing business with the city of Montreal for security cameras and security for the Montreal subway. Apparently they are a security company favoured by or with prior connections to the CIA, MI6, Mossad and other scumbag western intel agencies which have been alleged participants to Gladio terror and fascist agendas in general throughout the cold war.

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Land of conspiracy?

Guelph Mercury
July 24, 2008
Rob O'Flanagan

A pair of University of Guelph professors have joined a growing number of academics and filmmakers who are writing and broadcasting their doubts about the official explanation behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001.

In a host of public forums, John McMurtry, professor emeritus of philosophy, and Michael Keefer, a professor in the School of English and Theatre Studies, have presented arguments alleging a plot on the part of the American government, business and military leaders related to the events of Sept. 11, 2001.

More than 2,700 people died.

"I found when I started to read about this that I had this feeling of absolute nausea," Keefer said in a telephone interview. "It's nauseating, I find, to contemplate the kind of possibility that forces itself on you from the evidence -- that highly placed people within the America state perpetuated the crimes. That is what I believe."

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I spent a good amount of time debating the first 10, 20, 30... I don't know... 50 points that the truthers brought up. Once they were deflected, though, the truthers weren't convinced. They went picking through the rubble and found more anomalies.

I don't begrudge people distrusting the government, but I believe that Ronald Reagan has as much to do with this phenomenon as anyone. He mocked government, fired air traffic controllers and downloaded Federal responsibilities.

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Perhaps you could put to rest some of the questions posed by 25 U.S. military officers challenging the official story