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skadie
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posted 27 May 2002 03:39 PM      Profile for skadie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did anyone listen to The World This Weekend on CBC radio last night? There was a really interesting feature on women in elected public office, or the lack of, and some interesting solutions to the problem. Suggestions included requiring the same amount of male to female candidates per party. Apparently in France (?) they run male/female teams for election.

Women make up only 20% of our elected officers in the legislature. I don't think we should be satisfied with that.

Does anyone know where I can find more info on this subject? The TWTW website doesn't offer much follow up.


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Trinitty
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posted 27 May 2002 04:02 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would suggest going to the individual party websites and looking around there for nomination procedures.

Women shouldn't have any trouble getting elected, they just need to win the riding nomination for the party with the best chances in their constituencies. I plan to do just that one day.

Fact is there aren't enough bright, progressive people entering politics today period, whether they are male or female. That needs to change.


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shelby9
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posted 27 May 2002 05:27 PM      Profile for shelby9     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would think, that by enforcing a 50-50 rule for men and women to run for office would be more of a slap, not a betterment for women to run for public office.

If they can't get them on thier own, then was it really worth getting them elected?

Trinitty is right - check with each Party for more info on the nomination process' of each.


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Trespasser
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posted 04 June 2002 11:13 PM      Profile for Trespasser   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skadie:

I found the idea interesting too - some time ago I read a Joan W. Scott article in New Left Review about that proposal, and I believe I have a photocopy somewhere which I may dig out. She wrote about possible changes that the 50/50 deal would bring to the idea of universal French republicanism and the notion of the individual, and interestingly, she defended the idea. She argued that those who defend the proposal because it would lead to the more accurate representation of 'women's political issues' are doing it a disservice. Women should form one half of the highest national representative body because they form one half of the population - I think she maneuvered within the concept of universality and argued that 50/50 might lay stronger claim to 'universality' than the present system. I really have to find that paper...

Trin:

'women are not having difficulty being elected once they are nominated'. I read that famous study (Sex as a Political Variable I believe it was called, by several researchers) and I am not sure what to do with it. They do statistically show that gender is a much less important variable than the incumbent/challenger status when people run for the office in the US, and they argue that the main reason women are not elected is because they do not run. They somehow manage to abstract from everything relevant that might nuance their argument (like, the nominations and party gate keepers; reasons why women choose not to run; childrearing factor; public speaking; etc etc etc). Have you ever seen the book Getting Elected in Canada (prefaced by Allan Blakeney, incidentally)? That book, which in no way represents feminist scholarship, is much more knowledgeable of gender dynamics in electoral politics than this study.

Also, there have been studies about what happens electorally to parties that introduce gender quotas (30%, 40%) for their candidates, both in majoritarian and proportional systems.

Also 2, the notion of 'critical mass' has been discussed a bit too - women do not necessarily represent more accurately other women and issues related more often to women's lives, but it just so happens that after a certain level of female presence is established in the representative body (let's say 37%, I'm guessing) the focus and priorities change from (I'm trying to remember) let's say excessive defence spending to improving health care.

Also 3, it has been shown that the representation of women is often reversely proportional to the relevance of that particular political body in the broader political context. In ex-Communist countries women had much higher presence in quasi-parliamentary bodies with no relevance than in Polit-Bureaus and such, for instance. I read somewhere that in Sweden too the representation of women in the Swidish equivalent of parliament increased as the centre of real decision-making shifted outside of the country, in EU or WTO. Now that according to some parameters Western democracies live their post-parliamentary stage, women may even be admitted in...

If anybody knows more about these three subjects under Also1, Also2 and Also3, please share.


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audra trower williams
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posted 04 June 2002 11:51 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not sure either, but I wrote this about it.
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jeff house
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posted 05 June 2002 12:05 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scandinavian countries generally use the "party list" system. So, any party which is serious about electing women puts them in positions 1, 3,5,7,9 and so on. The number of women elected will automatically amount to approximately 50% of elected representatives.

I am so glad to see Trespasser back again; my theory was that she had disappeared from Babble in order to complete a 9th Ph.D. or something. But I do not think the analogy she mentions, about Sweden, is particularly meaningful. I do think its true that women were mostly window-dressing in Soviet political systems (not in Nicaragua, though).

In Sweden, women are powerful in Parliament and Cabinet. Norway has had a woman prime minister, and presently has very important women cabinet Ministers (or did when I checked last).

I do not think this achievement becomes less noteworthy because a process of globalization leeches power from every nation state, and deposits it at the IMF. Electing women to the most powerful positions at one's disposition is a measure of commitment to equality. If those positions are less powerful than they once were,
that does not undermine the commitment.

[ June 05, 2002: Message edited by: jeff house ]


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skadie
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posted 05 June 2002 01:18 AM      Profile for skadie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Scandinavian countries generally use the "party list" system.

Please define!


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Trespasser
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posted 05 June 2002 11:49 AM      Profile for Trespasser   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
(Who knows, maybe I dished out the Sweden comments just to attract Jeff to this thread )

Audra: Yes! That factor is important too.

Did anyone see Meredith Ralston's documentaries about W. Lill, Alexa McD and M. Clancy?

[ June 05, 2002: Message edited by: Trespasser ]


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Doug
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posted 05 June 2002 01:07 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
it just so happens that after a certain level of female presence is established in the
representative body (let's say 37%, I'm guessing) the focus and priorities change from (I'm trying to remember) let's say excessive defence
spending to improving health care.

The only legislatures in the world that are more than 30% women are the Scandinavian legislatures so we really have a limited sample to draw conclusions from. Do these legislatures have more concern for equality because they have more women or do they have more women because they have a concern for equality? It's quite possible to imagine a legislature full of women like Margaret Thatcher, Jenny Shipley (last PM of New Zealand) or Christy Clark (a BC Liberal minister who claimed that poor people should "just make more money") who wouldn't be interested at all in health care.


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Trespasser
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posted 05 June 2002 01:11 PM      Profile for Trespasser   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Frankly, it's quite impossible for me to imagine it.
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MJ
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posted 05 June 2002 01:27 PM      Profile for MJ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't have time for the kind of full reply a topic like this deserves, but in brief I think Trespasser's comments about why women don't run are pretty accurate. The entire way a political party is set up and operates, at least the one I've been active within, is geared towards a set of male values. Not in an consciously sexist way, but in terms of the underlying assumptions of how you do certain things, what you do, what is important, how decisions are made etc. Men fit in well and feel much more comfortable putting themselves forward because the conventions are based on male perceptions. Women conversely don't feel as comfortable, or as motivated by the typical political party dynamics in my experience.
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