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Sven
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posted 04 May 2006 01:20 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was pleasantly surprised to see that Moussaoui will not be executed. Instead, he will slowly rot in prison for the next several decades.
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M. Spector
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posted 04 May 2006 02:25 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was astonished.

Given the fact that the jury had already put the death penalty on the table and the relentless prosecution assault with the horrors of 9/11 I thought for sure they were going to fry him.

Turns out they were a lot smarter than I gave them credit for.


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Nanuq
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posted 04 May 2006 10:58 AM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why make a new martyr? Better that he rots in jail.
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ceti
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posted 04 May 2006 12:46 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aren't there still questions about his sanity?
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paxamillion
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posted 04 May 2006 12:49 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There may be. Didn't he represent himself and refuse to file an affirmative defence?
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paxamillion
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posted 04 May 2006 12:50 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Nanuq:
Why make a new martyr? Better that he rots in jail.

I read one column that said he wanted to die a martyr. Now he is being robbed of that through a slow death.


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Fear-ah
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posted 04 May 2006 12:56 PM      Profile for Fear-ah        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
I was pleasantly surprised to see that Moussaoui will not be executed. Instead, he will slowly rot in prison for the next several decades.

Interesting...on progressive boards in the States, most people figure he's innocent and shouldn't even be in jail in the first place...virtually no credible evidence was introduced on any of the charges...it was essentially a show trial.

But here--the Homeland Security enthusiasts are in full throat cheerleading?

No need to reply because I am not going to go over the trail with anyone here...


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abnormal
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posted 04 May 2006 12:58 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd expect that he'll be in solitary pretty much for good. I wouldn't expect him to last very long otherwise.

His mother says she's going to ask France to ask for his return and the French government has apparently offered to intercede at various times. He just hasn't asked.


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eau
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posted 04 May 2006 01:46 PM      Profile for eau        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps it's just me but from everything I saw and read the man is psychotic and clearly a wannabe that Bin Laden and Co. wanted nothing to do with. This may have been a show trial but other than a lot of money spent I don't see that it accomplished anything other than at least they didn't waterboard him to death.
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S1m0n
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posted 04 May 2006 01:50 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If he'd been anything but a know-nothing foot soldier, he'd never have been put on trial in the first place.

None of the senior al Qaeda captured have or will be tried. If he'd had any useful information to offer, he'd either have been tortured in a secret camp somewhere, or he'd have been offered a deal, like Ressam.

SO I think the jury got the right verdict, although the american take of life in prison is clearly barbaric, albeit slightly less so than execution.


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eau
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posted 04 May 2006 01:55 PM      Profile for eau        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good point about not seeing the leaders of Al Queda in a courtroom, they are either drooling babbling idiots by now or dead. Selling democracy in the Middle East is a hard sell and its easy to see why when you consider what has been done in it's name.

[ 04 May 2006: Message edited by: eau ]


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abnormal
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posted 04 May 2006 02:26 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
babbling idiots

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paxamillion
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posted 04 May 2006 02:48 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Fear-ah:
No need to reply because I am not going to go over the trail with anyone here...

I understand and support this stance completely. There is simply no way we'd understand. Simply tossing in your point of view is, at best, all we're worth here. We're clearly neither as progressive nor enlightened as you.


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greenie
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posted 04 May 2006 06:32 PM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by paxamillion:
I understand and support this stance completely. There is simply no way we'd understand. Simply tossing in your point of view is, at best, all we're worth here. We're clearly neither as progressive nor enlightened as you.

I completely agree. In fact, I feel honoured and most fortunate that he was able to grace us with his point of view.


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Bobolink
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posted 04 May 2006 08:23 PM      Profile for Bobolink   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remember that the real ringleaders of 9/11, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh have never even been charged and likely never will be because the eviodence against them is inadmissable as it was obtained by torture. Moussouai was never really convicted of anything but instead pleaded "guilty". It is obvious that he was a bit player who never really knew what was going on. It is unlikely that Al Qaeda would have trusted this loose cannon with any vital information. He sought out attention but never amounted to much. But by pleading guilty, no trial was held. The only decision was for the jury to pick from one of two punishments. I think that in consideration of the information that they had, they made the correct choice.

Moussouai was a stand-in for bin Laden, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh much in the same way as John Demjanjuk was a stand-in for the Ukrainians that Israel wanted to kill.


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Sven
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posted 04 May 2006 08:45 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bobolink:
It is obvious that he was a bit player who never really knew what was going on.

Why is that "obvious"?


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M. Spector
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posted 04 May 2006 08:49 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The mother of Zacarias Moussaoui, who was sentenced Thursday to life in prison for his role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist plot, said her son had nothing to do with the attacks that day and did not deserve to spend his life behind bars. She accused the French government of aiding in his conviction to appease the United States.
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"I wish France had said that this French citizen should have been judged on what he did and not on what he said, not because he is Arabic," she said. Instead, France "preferred to give an Arab to please them, for them to have a trial for 9/11, even though my son doesn't have anything to do with 9/11." Moussaoui, 37, was born in France to parents who emigrated from Morocco.

Alternately morose and composed, angry and combative, Wafi claimed that some of the victims' families have been in contact with her and are helping fight her son's conviction "because they think he is a fake culprit, in a fake trial, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be there, not Zacarias."

Mohammed, widely viewed as the prime organizer of the Sept. 11 attacks, is being held by the United States at an undisclosed location.
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"The trial showed that FBI agents had much more information on the preparation of the 9/11 attacks than Moussaoui himself," [her lawyer Patrick] Baudoin said. "Therefore, shall we sue these FBI agents for being accomplices to the 9/11 attacks?"

Baudoin said French authorities had shown "only passivity and a lack of interest" in the case, but he will push to have France seek the return of Moussaoui so that he could serve out his sentence in French prison. However, he conceded, "I cannot picture the Bush administration, which wanted Zacarias Moussaoui dead, giving him back to France." Washington Post



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skeptikool
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posted 04 May 2006 11:44 PM      Profile for skeptikool        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How could this jury possibly have called for his death when one of the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous, of the world's terrorists not only resides in the U.S. but is that country's "elected" leader.
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Doug
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posted 09 May 2006 08:07 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by S1m0n:
If he'd been anything but a know-nothing foot soldier, he'd never have been put on trial in the first place.

Which is the impression I get - he's an al-Qaeda cheerleader who had little to nothing to do with the 9/11 attack but having been arrested wanted to martyr himself in an act of government-assisted suicide.


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Jingles
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posted 10 May 2006 02:52 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The guy is clearly off his nut. He actually claimed to conspire with that other patsy, the shoe bomber (who was apparently too stupid to light his shoe fuse in the bathroom where no one could intervene).

The whole trial was as phony as the Washinton sniper trial, and Tim McVeigh's "kill him fast before he talks" trial. This wasn't about justice, it was a modern lynch mob with suits, ties, and expert witnesses.


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