2004: Flag bearer of Canadian Olympic team votes "Yes" in 1995 Quebec Referendum.

I don't care if sovereigntists are politically active and would accept a yes vote in a Quebec referendum, along with understanding its causes.

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Originally posted by NDP Newbie:

But to have somebody who voted that way bearing our country's flag internationally is intolerable.

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Are you suggesting that the Canadian Olympic Committee keep track of the politics of all the athletes and make decisions based on that? What's next? If he's not a good enough Canadian to carry the flag, is he still a good enough Canadian to represent us and win medals on our behalf? Who decides who's a good Canadian and who isn't?

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Originally posted by NDP Newbie:
1998: BQ MP Suzanne Tremblay goes to Nagano and bitches about there being too many Canadian flags.

2004: Flag bearer of Canadian Olympic team votes "Yes" in 1995 Quebec Referendum.

I don't care if sovereigntists are politically active and would accept a yes vote in a Quebec referendum, along with understanding its causes.

But to have somebody who voted that way bearing our country's flag internationally is intolerable.

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We are fighting for a better life, a better political system, and with the mess Canada is in – maybe we need to separate if only for a short time, it doesn’t mean we can never come together again to form a new confederation and constitution – one that actually works. People take time off in marriages all the time, and when they get back together many times the marriage is stronger then before. Separation is not an end but can be a positive new beginning. Canada does need a wake up call.

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maybe we need to separate if only for a short time, it doesn’t mean we can never come together again to form a new confederation and constitution

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'Sides, that isn't even our real flag.

This is:

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Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
I'm with Michelle, flag-waving and sports compounds the inherent stupidities within each.

'Sides, that isn't even our real flag.

This is:

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I have a problem with incendiary thread titles - there have been a lot of them recently, from many of us babblers. They immediately create an agressive, adversary climate on the board. Another example was Dean Notes' thing on the "left-wing nuts" in the NDP. But often these titles even come with people whom I agree with in terms of the point they are making, such as Heph on gay rights issues.

An early Patriote flag. After this colour scheme was banned by the British, this one became popular:

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After this colour scheme was banned by the British...

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Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Are you sure you want this "break" for all the right reasons? Are you really going to work on our relationship while we're apart, or are you just going to get drunk all the time and try to get into Montana's pants? This isn't going to be like before we were married, is it, where you just lay around all day in your underwear surrounded by beer bottles and take-out containers, because if it is then maybe a clean break would be better.

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At first, I thought you were bashing me, now at the bottom of the message, I think you’re just joking a bit. (Just a note: I have never tasted beer or alcohol, except for maybe some cough medicine – some redneck I am)

I think a clean break would be best, we can come together and try and work out a new constitution and confederation later. If we don’t break it off – Does anyone really think we can get anything resolved under the current Canadian climate and landscape? We are a country deeply divided and it’s only getting worse, just look at the political parties; we have the Bloc in Quebec and the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives in the west. If you think another “Reform” type party won’t pop up its little head soon in the west then you’re just kidding yourself. The Conservatives are trying to compete with the Liberals and are being drawn to the center and the left in an attempt to appeal to eastern voters – the west won’t like this one bit and a new party will crop up.

A country divide won’t sever any of us!!!

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Originally posted by lagatta:
The Patriotes flag is a horizontal tricolore; green, white and red. The flag of Hungary is almost identical, but the red is on top.

Why is the fleur-de-lys bloodstained? The main objection people have to it here is its strong religious, and Duplessis era, connotations. Though most people don't even care about such matters. I'm not very fond of national flags in any event.

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Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
I'm with Michelle, flag-waving and sports compounds the inherent stupidities within each.

'Sides, that isn't even our real flag.

This is:

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Originally posted by fuslim:
In that the Olympics is a private commercial venture, why are flags displayed at all?

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Originally posted by skdadl:
Are you guys picking on Mr Magoo just because he's so earnest and intense?

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Nope, I actually found the post funny.

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Originally posted by fuslim
In that the Olympics is a private commercial venture, why are flags displayed at all?

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National pride - that's what the Olympics were once about, a substitute for war. If any thing can bring Canada and Canadians together its sporting events like the Olympics or just look what the Calgary Flames did this spring. It helps, to bad Mr. Martin had to resort to those old Liberal tricks of blaming Alberta for the healthcare mess, like Alberta had any effect on the healthcare in Quebec and Ontario - maybe SARS had an effect, go figure. The Flames made us feel good about each other and the election drove us apart.

Regards,
Jack
ProjectAlberta.com
"It's fun to disagree – a healthy argument is good for the rebuilding process, if you don’t take it personally and everyone gets a chance to voice their opinions – please join and have FUN!"

[ 10 August 2004: Message edited by: JackIsBack ]

"What the fuck is wrong with our country" is about as intelligent as making "Hey, look at this!" a thread title.

This would serve several purposes:

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Hooray for the Red Ensign!
Maybe we could adapt the ensign to include symbolism including Quebec

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Originally posted by paxamillion:

How about the flags of the "Official Sponsors"? We could auction off the flag pole spaces for particular events.

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Originally posted by hibachi:
Maybe the flag should be the map of an undivided Canada.

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I think you have a point!!! Look at the flag; it has two red bans on each end symbolizing maybe the West and Quebec, and a giant white space in the middle (Ontario). I have no idea what the maple leaf is a symbol for or where the Atlantic and Northern regions fit in to this little theory – but it sort of works, well maybe not.

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Originally posted by erick satie:
Hearing the anti-fracophone garbage in and from Alberta for now over forty years of my life, I find it no surprise that this young man in Quebec felt alienated. Albertans are surrounded by people who are almost as anglo-chauvanist as they are and are just above the great white expanse of Montana. Yet they say they are alienated. Francophones have a small stake hold that bitter little Southern Albertans have been bitching about ad nauseum for decades. To give this young Francophone the honour of carrying the Canadian flag may help him feel part of depite the spiteful ignorance of the Anglo-chauvanists and supremacists. Good for the Olympic committee. I have no doubt that if a nasty little skin head from Nanton Alberta was offered the opportunity to carry the Canadian Flag, Jason Kenney, Stephen Harper, and the rest of the SA delegation would have been quiet as church mice. In fact they would probably say; "well finally people are listening to Western Values."

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What are you talking about - I think people who read this will know the truth who the real bigot really is - YOU!!!! I don't recall Harper or my MP Jason Kenney ever calling down or even remarking on the flag bearer, if he did, he would not get my vote.

We in Alberta happen to cheer on that Quebecer as he competes for Canada and holds the flag. I suppose you think we only wanted half of our pairs figuring skating team to get the gold medal.

Because we don't think there is a need to have French on every Alberta sign (in the airport for example) does not mean that were anti-francophone, there just happens to be more people here who speak with a Chinese dialect then a French one. It just makes sense that if any second language is to be posted, it should be the one that the the majority of people speak and understand. In Banff Alberta there are more Japanese signs then english (almost), or so it seems sometimes.

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Originally posted by erick satie:
Hearing the anti-fracophone garbage in and from Alberta for now over forty years of my life, "

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Having lived in Alberta for 1/4 of my life, I have heard no more "anti-francophone garbage" than in any other province and certainly a lot less than when I lived in New Brunswick.

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I was thinking back into French Royal history. It was the Royal flag, was it not?

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If I remember correctly, the French flag from the monarchic era was a white flag (not joking). The present fleur-de-lys is in fact a slight variation on the flag of a fort of New-France (in that time, nearly every rgiment had a flag of its own) where there was a great victory against the English during the colonial wars. The difference is that in that particular flag, the fleur-de-lys are placed diagonally.

After a bit of research, it was the Carillon Fort's flag, here it is:

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I would be swept to tears to hear my anthem (Oh Canada) sung at the Olympics knowing that it was me that made it so (and I’m sure the Quebec separatists would agree).

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