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Dennis J.
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posted 22 January 2002 10:17 PM      Profile for Dennis J.   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm back from Sunnyvale. We didn't get the contract. The official reason was because of "cross-platform incompatiblities".

But at a cocktail reception Saturday night it was made pretty clear to me that if I expected to sell my stuff in America, then I needed a physical American presence. Preferably at the expense of closing my Canadian one. Conveniently enough, there was a representative from the Lt. Governor's office there, offering 25% State of California Tax-Breaks and other incentives to those of us hawking our wares to re-locate. I politely declined.

The business atmosphere has changed in the States since 9/11. I don't know how to describe it. It's meaner, more cut-throat. Very patriotic. Very disappointing.


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skdadl
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posted 23 January 2002 09:17 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am very sorry to hear all of these things, Dennis J.

Is your last paragraph the main/only reason you politely declined?


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Michelle
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posted 23 January 2002 09:22 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow. That's really something isn't it?

So much for NAFTA and free trade across the borders, and equal access to markets, etc. I guess the US is only for free trade when it means THEY go into OTHER markets, not when others try to come into theirs. Not that I'm surprised.

I'm sorry to hear your trip didn't go well, Dennis.


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Dennis J.
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posted 23 January 2002 11:40 AM      Profile for Dennis J.   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks everyone for your good wishes.

Skdadl: Closing shop here would throw my people out of work. That's not what I'm about. I believe that when you have good people who offer you their loyalty, you owe them your protection.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as subject to the temptations of material wealth and a snowless January as much as anybody. Maybe more so. Ever since I built my first Monogram Snap-Tite model of a '56 Corvette in grade one, I've wanted one - very badly. But I'm not going to put 12 families on the dole to get it.


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R. J. Dunnill
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posted 19 February 2002 06:08 PM      Profile for R. J. Dunnill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe this will cheer you up.

RD


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clockwork
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posted 20 February 2002 09:05 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm...

quote:
From what I read, I hope your sales pitch doesn't advertise the fact that you are from Canada. My company (well, former company) had a small office located in the U.S. for only one particular reason that I'm aware of: an American mailing address.

This little tidbit of apparently sage advice was uttered by none other than yours truly. While I don’t usually like to toot my own horn (indeed, I’m quite impressed when a clockworkism turns out to be of value), I am curious… what’s your origin known before you went?


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SHH
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posted 20 February 2002 07:03 PM      Profile for SHH     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dennis J: Just read this thread for the first time and I’m sorry about your Silicon Valley experience. Some observations:

With some minor exceptions, I’m unaware of any country that doesn’t require some fashion of a “presence” within their borders to do business there. Branch, subsidiary, joint venture, partnership, whatever. If not one of those entities, then one must sell thru a domestic distributor or retailer. This is standard fare within the OECD. Small companies can often operate below the radar but it is usually unlawful.

Here’s a suggestion worth every penny you paid (and exactly as CW noted): Set up a US Branch sales office (anything from a paper-only company to an actual little office with a logo, phone and a temp) and hire an American salesperson on commission-basis. This would give you the “presence” suggested/required. (You could name your US Branch “USA Products” or whatever, you get the drift). You could share this "front-office with others, it's done all the time). And if didn’t work out, at least it would be a write-off; at Canadian rates even! (Sorry if this elementary suggestion insults your business acumen; just a shot from the hip). Oh, and there are turnkey outfits that will do all this for you on a “cost-plus” billing structure.

Silicon Valley is extremely tough. Always has been. But I suspect the recent economic downturn is more the cause of recent angst than 9-11. Many of the GenX types, having never had to actually look for a job, are a little shocked as things return to normal. Good luck!

[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: SHH ]


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AnotherBadSalmon
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posted 21 February 2002 05:24 AM      Profile for AnotherBadSalmon   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
R. J. Dunnill the link in your post led to a Roots page. Did you know that Roots was started by a couple of Americans from Michigan who grew up vacationing in Algonquin park and loved it so much they came north to set up their company.
Wonder if they have dual citizenship? Doesn't say anything about it on their page.

http://www.tv.cbc.ca/lifeandtimes/bio1997/budmangreen.htm


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Trinitty
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posted 22 February 2002 03:28 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A friend of my husband's family is a truck driver, he crosses the border many times a week. They hate Canadians now, from his experience. he said the change in attitude is STARK. Many of the people he deals with blame Canada for allowing terrorists to leak into their country... despite the fact that they went to flight school in Florida... is that in Canada?

I guess it's the drama of the Ressam case that really sticks in the mind.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 22 February 2002 03:31 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mike Moore has often said that growing up so close to Canada had a great impact on him. During Vietnam, CBC radio was the only place to get decent news.
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Trinitty
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posted 22 February 2002 03:44 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Still IS!

Moore, you mean WTO's Moore?


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 22 February 2002 03:46 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, I mean filmmaker and author Michael Moore, from Michigan. The Roger & Me and Canadian Bacon guy. www.michaelmoore.com
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R. J. Dunnill
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posted 28 February 2002 05:13 PM      Profile for R. J. Dunnill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know if this story has received any notice here, but if so, here it is again.

RD


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DrConway
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posted 28 February 2002 07:26 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Re RJ Dunnill's link:

quote:
Luring business
Before Canada could make its pitch to tech companies, it had to get its financial house in order. For years, Canada has not been known as a free-market country.

"We recognize we have a branding problem," Tobin said.

The Canadian government used to own the country's largest airline, a major oil company and a major railway, but those have all since been privatized as the country has become business friendly. Chief among the new policies have been changes to tax laws.


What is this pile of horseshit? Canada has been part of the "free world", the non-Communist, free-enterprise, capitalism-loving nations since 1917. Canada has a governmental structure that broadly parallels that of Great Britain and the USA, with a similar codification of the right to private property - although, granted, not as extensive as that in the USA. The tax system in Canada since the 1950s has had broad similarities to the US's as well.

The above quote is bunk and revisionist history.

quote:
"Ten years ago, we had double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment, and the economy was lackluster; from a financial perspective, we had no cachet whatsoever," Eckert said.

This guy is so full of shit it's unbelievable.

This is 2002, not 1992. Eckert's off by a whole decade. In 1982, inflation was about 9% and unemployment was 13%.

quote:
"We're no longer a high-tax environment but a competitive tax environment." In early 2001, the country implemented its biggest tax cut in history, a package worth $65 billion (in U.S. dollars), Tobin said. This is a big sum for an economy one-tenth the size of the United States', he noted.

The tax cut is being phased in over five years, and furthermore, the "high-tax environment" phrase is such a bogus pile of crap. Refer to the thread where I discuss the relative structure of the tax system in Canada versus other members of the G7.

[ February 28, 2002: Message edited by: DrConway ]


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