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Granola Girl
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posted 12 June 2005 04:04 PM      Profile for Granola Girl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone have a subscription to the Van Sun or Calgary Herald?

There was a great article by Sandra Schmidt on the Sun on Friday, but you can't access it unless you subscribe.

Basically, the article reports the findings by a new Stats Can study that finds that the wage gap between male and female faculty members at Canadian universities can be as high as $17, 575.

One university spokesperson tried to argue that this gap is simply the result of comparing faculty salaries from different disciplines - for example, engineering and science departments are dominated by men and tend to pay more. (Surprise, surprise, women are overrepresented in the arts, a discipline that is undervalued by society as a whole). But someone from a women's organization countered that this study merely reflects the wage gap in Canada at large and is based on sexism, pure and simple.

I've also read, elsewhere, that professors on the tenure track are disproportionately male, but the article didn't deal with this.

Hopefully someone can dig up the article.

Van Sun subscriber link.

Calgary Herald subscriber link here.


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trevor j.
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posted 12 June 2005 04:22 PM      Profile for trevor j.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it the same as this Sarah Schmidt story from Friday's Edmonton Journal? That one's not behind a subscription firewall, so maybe not.

[Edited to correct a name.]

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Granola Girl
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posted 12 June 2005 04:24 PM      Profile for Granola Girl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yay! Yes, that is the same article. Thanks a whole bunch, trevor j. I am posting the text just in case it gets yanked behind a firewall, too. Apolgies for the length.

quote:
OTTAWA - Male university professors earn on average up to $17,575 more than their female colleagues at Canadian universities, Statistics Canada reported Thursday.

The University of Calgary has the largest gender gap, but many schools aren't far behind, revealing average salary differences of greater than $14,000 in favour of their male professors for the 2004/05 academic year.

They include McMaster ($17,061), Wilfrid Laurier ($16,214), University of Western Ontario ($15,439), Carleton ($15,352), University of British Columbia ($15,342), University of Manitoba ($14,813), University of Victoria ($14,211) and Brandon University ($14,188).

The wage gap at the University of Alberta, one of three universities along with UBC and Queens reporting an average professorial salary exceeding $100,000, is $12,975 ($105,203 compared to $92,228).

Thirty institutions provided data for the preliminary report. Universities that failed to meet Statistics Canada's deadline to provide the salaries of their full-time teaching staff include Simon Fraser, Saskatchewan, McGill and Toronto, and are not included.

The average salaries broken down by gender exclude professors in the faculties of medicine and dentistry. They also exclude Canada Research chairs because these elite professors, funded by a federal government program, are not paid according to regular salary scales.

Alan Harrison, Carleton's provost and vice-president, academic, said the differential is a function of the demographic reality of hiring patterns in post-secondary education.

Since men were hired in greater numbers a few decades ago, they've reached the senior ranks sooner and in larger numbers, he said. Men also tend to be over-represented in disciplines such as engineering, computing sciences and business, areas for which Carleton, located in Ottawa, and others pay market supplements to compete with the private sector.

"It's important to understand that there are issues of age and there are issues of discipline," said Harrison.

"If you take a bunch of relatively young women and compare them with relatively older men, you're going to see differences."

For example, there is no wage gap for assistant professors at Carleton's faculty of arts and social sciences, the school's largest faculty. There is also no gender gap in the number of women and men at this lowest rank, most of whom were hired within the last five years.

The picture for the highest-ranked full professors in the faculty, most hired many years ago, looks very different: there are 28 women at this rank compared to 58 men, who make an average of $8,000 more than their female counterparts, said Harrison.

"If you do the regressive analysis, there is no problem to be explained. It's explainable by differences in age and differences in disciplines ... I don't think it's fair to say there's a systemic bias."

Wendy Robbins, chair of the women's committee of the Canadian Association of University Teachers, disagrees. While conceding the demographics explain some of the wage gap, she says institutional "sexism" across the university system is also partially to blame.

"I've been at this business since the 1970s, and there's always been a gap. It just seems to be stubbornly persistent. If you adjust for age and discipline, you can begin to narrow it, but you can't explain it away completely. We have to use the word sexism. It's plain and simple," said Robbins, a professor of English and women's studies at the University of New Brunswick.



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posted 12 June 2005 04:37 PM      Profile for GJJ        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's probably sexism involved - most professors negotiate their salary, and the universities are probably more likely to give bigger numbers to males. Having said that, older professors make a lot more, often while being quite out of touch with recent advances in their field (certainly true in science and engineering) - getting paid more to know and do less as it were. Young professors teaching a heavy workload and publishing like mad make about half what established professors do (many of whom haven't changed the notes they've used to teach from in two decades and only publish in "Better Homes and Gardens".

Yeah, the university salary structure is sexist and just plain bizaare.


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posted 12 June 2005 05:39 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree, it is bizarre. I am inclined to think that it might work better if research and teaching were two seperate fields, in terms of salary: research and teaching (with a possibility for overlap). Many of the professors in my department (at UVic) clearly do not like teaching and you can tell, as they haven't changed their notes, readings, or the way they do things since they got tenure. I'm obviously not involved in the teaching end of things, but I can only imagine that the quality of education would go up if my fellow students and I were taught by people who actually wanted to do the job. I've only thought about this a little bit, and it could be fairly troublesome, especially in places where teaching 'intelligent design' is being seriously considered, and those who don't want to really do need their butts protected, but the whole tenure thing isn't working the way it is set up right now, either...

Anyway with regards to sexism at an institutional level, the whole argument that because it was mostly men given tenure 'back in the day' women are underrepresented, but it's not sexits, it's just the way it is. ARG! The sexism is built in, even if it does reflect a reality from a while back (which I'm not sure I buy, given the discrepency in funding between the humanities and engineering, say) That's the way it is, and now many younger -and middle aged! that's the part they forgot- teachers, particularly women, have to teach as sessionals for low pay, doing way more in order to keep open the possibility of getting that tenured position.

(So fricking frustrated... to the point of wanting to escape academia as soon as I get some form of acknowledgement for the work I've done so far... had to rant)


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Ron Webb
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posted 12 June 2005 06:35 PM      Profile for Ron Webb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I've been at this business since the 1970s, and there's always been a gap. It just seems to be stubbornly persistent. If you adjust for age and discipline, you can begin to narrow it, but you can't explain it away completely.
Indeed, "if you adjust for age and discipline" the picture would undoubtedly change. Stats Canada would know that. Why they didn't adjust the figures appropriately is a mystery to me. As it stands, this study doesn't really tell us much.

Having said that, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see the gender bias of society as a whole reflected in universities. Universities have to pay the going rate for expertise, just like any other employer. Why would a cash-strapped university pay significantly more than they needed to for female-dominated disciplines? And how could they attract quality professors in male-dominated disciplines while paying significantly less?


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Amy
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posted 12 June 2005 08:42 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*sigh* If universities as institutions re-inforce the status quo regarding who stays in which disciplines, then they are, atleast in part, to blame for the difference in wages that comes from those trends. From my experiences in the sciences, it is the female students (and sessional instructors, to some extent) who are working to get more women into the sciences, not the people who actually control funding and hiring. Of course, at my university, there is only a $14, 211 gap, so what do I know?

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GJJ
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Amy, what department are you in at UVic? I did a masters there in engineering a long time ago, and the department itself was pushing hard to get female professors ... it was one of the prime requirements in hiring. Back then they had hard time because there weren't many women with Phd's in engineering (which is why they were pushing for more female professors), and the qualified candidates decided to take better offers from prestigious American universities, all of which were also trying to increase the number of female professors in engineering. Presumably it'll be easier when the next boat batch of retirees leaves because there are now many more female Phd's, but department wide efforts to get more females in the sciences and engineering has been going on for almost two decades now ... it isn't just women in the departments who were pushing it (in fact back then there was only one woman in the department, and she was actually in computer science).

As for paying engineering profs more than others, anyone choosing to be a prof is already giving up 30 to 50 thousand a year - lower it much more and there'll be no qualified candidates at all. And its worse for medicine and dentistry - ask what profs make in those fields (actually I don't understand why they were left out of the statistics). UVic is a university in which you negotiate your salary when you start ... those who think they're underpayed can renegotiate their salary, and profs certainly don't have the excuse that they don't understand how the system works ... we're not talking about unskilled labor here.


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