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Michelle
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posted 14 July 2006 04:49 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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An international discussion at the World Peace Forum in Vancouver featured panelists Cristina Ercoli, from the teachers' union in Argentina; George Heyman of the BC Government and Service Employees' Union; and Antonio Garica from Section 22 of the Mexican Teachers' Union in Oaxaca. The panel was moderated by David Chudnovsky, the MLA for Vancouver-Kensington and former President of the BC Teachers' Federation.

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Ward
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posted 29 July 2006 01:25 AM      Profile for Ward     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with George Heyman of the BC Government and Service Employees' Union. The objective of unions today should be to engage the individual non-unionized worker not just sign up a new group.
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posted 29 July 2006 05:54 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ward:
I agree with George Heyman of the BC Government and Service Employees' Union. The objective of unions today should be to engage the individual non-unionized worker not just sign up a new group.

I'd go further. We must engage the individual unionized worker and her entire family and community. Unions are stuck with viewing and relating to their members as employees of a particular employer. That modifies and filters everything we do. In the extreme, when the worker leaves for another job or is laid off or retires, the link tends to end. If there were other progressive community-based organizations to pick up the thread (and with which we could partner), that would be fine -- but for the most part there aren't. So I've long believed that unions need to institute true individual and family memberships, irrespective of employer, and spend the huge time and energy and resources needed to organize outside the workplace. We all do it to a greater or lesser degree, but it's mostly lesser.


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jester
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posted 29 July 2006 10:31 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why is it that the most militant and controversial unions are public sector unions?

Are industrial unions satisfied with their agreements or are they more or less toeing the line due to the threat their members face from competition due to globalisation?

Extremists such as Sid Ryan are busy agitating in international causes while ignoring Canadian issues such as the plight of First Nations on their own doorstep.

Ken Georgetti doggedly keeps attempting to raise the profile of a very important issue for union and non-union workers.That issue is pension legislation that protects worker's pensions from attack by corporations and corporate bankruptcies. Nobody cares.

Why do union activists insist on grandstanding in the international arena(against the wishes of their constituents) rather than working to improve conditions they are mandated to engage?


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Edmonton Wobbly
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posted 29 July 2006 10:51 AM      Profile for Edmonton Wobbly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I would say actually the more miltant unions in Canada tend to be public sector becuase they were organised by more radical elements in the 60's and 70's whereas the older unions have had more time to be coopted (like the teamsters), or were not particularly radical in the first place (like the old AF of L). Also there are a few private sector unions that are a bit ahead of the curve that are Canadian unions, like CEP or sometimes CAW.

I agree with talking to individual workers and trying to win the hearts and minds rather than just their dues. However, is the existing model of the labour movement built to do that? Most processes to settle grievances, and even in some unions negotiating itself, happens largely over the head of rank and file workers.

In order to win people over I think they have to be engage in the process, and to do that would often involve defying 60 years of labour relations precedent where labour laws mandate that workplace struggle happens in the offices of grievances officers, and not in the day to day antagonism between workers and management. Also if we are going to win workers over to something it will likely have to be something more appealing than a (largelt now unworkable) social democratic government.


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jester
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posted 31 July 2006 09:59 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So thats it for interest in trade union strategies for the 21st century?

Trade unions could have a major influence in shaping the political future in Canada by consolidating support for a just and honest form of government.

Given that the elite controlled old line parties rule Canada with only +/-40% of the vote, unions can play an important role in consolidationg and focussing the goals of the majority of Canadians.

We remain in minority government mode because Canadians want none of the parties.

IMHO,unions should stick to their mandates by focussing on domestic issues to create a better Canada rather than waste resources saving the world.


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Left Turn
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posted 31 July 2006 05:07 PM      Profile for Left Turn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think unions have a role to play in terms of shifting the political dabate leftwards. The extent to which unions are positioned to carry out this task varies, as the leadership of many unions has been co-opted by the business unionism model. Those union members interested in moving political debate leftwards need to challenge those in leadership positions who ascribe to the business unionism model. Rank and file union members need to be won to a program of class struggle, and to get them to stop accepting the model of toeing the line coupled with occasional concessions when the bosses deem it "necessary". Ultimately, the goal is to replace union leadership that is only interested in maintaining their highly paid union management jobs.

If unions can help to move political discrouse leftwards, the union movement will reap the benefits. Politicized workers are more likely to fight to unionize their workplaces. Those same workers are also more likely to support pro-union politicians at the ballot box. The ballot box is crucial, because so long as the bourgeoisie remains in government they can bring the power of the state to bear against unions. Only by taking power can the working class truly push back against the capitalist offensive to lower wages and working conditions to third world levels for large swaths of the working class.

[ 31 July 2006: Message edited by: Left Turn ]


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wobbly
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posted 01 August 2006 03:31 PM      Profile for wobbly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
See I worry about the notion that trade union activism is really just a stepping stone to political power. I also think it is a little bit opportunistic.

There is a certain inherent radicalism in the day to day to experiences of work, and the relationships workers build in resisting the bosses is very important. Herding workers off to the ballot box looses much of this. I think the real strength of labour activism is taking the radicalism that is generated on the shop floor and organising from there.

The retail gripes in another thread are a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about.

Also as much as some in the labour movement may wish to look out for Canadians first, that outlook is exactly what is worst for Canadians. After all almost all of us work for corporations owned by the wealthy the world over, borders are largely meaningless to business. Nationalism is not a luxury we can afford, to neglect organising workers just because they live somewhere else is just as silly as neglecting to organise workers just because they are in another department from you.

[ 01 August 2006: Message edited by: wobbly ]


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posted 02 August 2006 03:40 PM      Profile for St. Paul's Progressive     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Left Turn:
I think unions have a role to play in terms of shifting the political dabate leftwards.
[ 31 July 2006: Message edited by: Left Turn ]

That is their overall effect. The problem right now is that most union members don't vote NDP and never have. A lot even vote Conservative, I'm sorry to say.


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Sineed
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posted 03 August 2006 11:12 AM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right, Sheldon. I work in the public sector, and many of my co-workers voted for the provincial conservatives because they felt that the NDP were "bankrupting the province."

One of my NDP friends commented bitterly that the public sector workers who voted for Mike Harris and subsequently lost their jobs got what they deserved.


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slimpikins
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posted 03 August 2006 02:52 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love this thread. I am currently actively engaged in 'winning the hearts and minds' of the workers in a new unit with a 7 month old collective agreement, won after a bitter strike that saw two deaths and numerous injuries, and a 10+ year organizing drive.

What works? (at least here)

Informing the members of EVERYTHING that goes on, good or bad.

Engaging the members as stewards, health and safety reps, and making sure that they are the ones making the decisions.

Performing my function as a full time Union rep as an advisor rather than the fixer of every problem that comes along.

Empowering the workers to change their workplace, rather than telling them to sit back and watch the Union work.

Making the saying 'This is YOUR Union' a fact instead of a fancy phrase.

Making sure that the Union runs from the bottom up instead of from the top down.

Education on political choices impacting the daily work life. For example, many of the workers who are new Canadians voted for the Liberals because they 'brought us to Canada'. After getting the shaft from the provincial Tories during negotiations and the first time they tried to strike, they started asking political questions. The NDP picked up 5000 new votes in the last federal election (losing to the Tories by a mere 20000 votes) due in large part to this education. Now there are a lot of NDP members, and even some Communists and a sprinkling of Anarchists. This from a group that a year and a half ago could have given two craps about politics. Also, every couple of weeks someone brings in a petition to the Union office for some worthy national or even international cause, and we invariably get a few hundred signatures on it just from the workers who drop into the office.

In my opinion, nobody will ever be able to radicalize workers from the national office of anything. It takes education, engagement, and empowerment at the shop floor level to get workers moving politically.


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