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Hephaestion
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posted 04 March 2006 07:13 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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It's a weird feeling watching a movie you'd swear was made for you.

As I was watching Toronto-based documentarian Albert Nerenberg's latest offering Escape to Canada, the one theme that kept hitting me over the head was that one country in North America is a place where freedom is rising and another is a place where it is being frittered away.

Guess which country is which?

Nerenberg, who previously gave the human race its first comprehensive look at human stupidity with the documentary of the same name (Stupidity, get it?), portrays a Canada that a progressive American would love ­ pot, same-sex marriage, peace, sex and good beer. (Okay, I added the beer part).

This Canada is most assuredly not, as hinted in the first few minutes of the film, boring, even though in the film, Stephen Harper gets tagged with the sobriquet "The Baron of Boring."

Yes, it does seem the country American liberals (the real small-l ones) dream of.


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thwap
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posted 04 March 2006 08:37 AM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post
A couple of things:

1. Tommy Chong is from British Columbia Canada. I believe he's part-Indian, and I know that he's part-Chinese because that was the part that explained the "Chong" part. He met "Cheech" Marin when Marin moved to B.C. to flee the draft for the Vietnam War.

2. I remember a newspaper story where I guy from Southern Alberta recalled the differences between the restaurants in a fast-food chain on both sides of the border. On the Canadian side, it was just another restaurant in the chain, but in the US, these northern Wyoming (?), Montana(?) outlets were decorated with all sorts of "wilderness" and "outdoor" paraphenalia, because they were up in the remote north, close to the frontier.

3. The tragedy is that the USA used to be the freer country and it's been lost. Canadian politics had been marred by a stuffy British conservatism, and in Quebec, this authoritarian, hierarchical political culture had the even more authoritarian, hierarchical influence of the Catholic Church stamped upon it. Most of our "anti-Americanism" in this earlier period was wailing about US materialism (this was sheer hypocrisy), "mobocracy" (elite condemnation of US democracy), and immorality (Hollywood and popular fiction as opposed to stuffy and boring British snobbery).

4. I really think that it is the intrusion into our essentially liberal CAPITALIST political culture of the issues of Quebec Nationalism, and the "semi-mutally-reinforcing" power of trade-union and NDP social democracy, that has saved Canada from the utter debasement of politics into the "tax cuts, 'free markets,' massive inequality, and knuckle-dragging 'populism' for the dispossessed" that is the result of the complete and total domination of capitalism on US democracy.

Still, we can lose things very quickly here. Both Preston Manning and Stephen Harper have been recorded telling their backers that they have long-term plans for Canada, and that they'll start off small and move us gradually.

I just saw former Haitian Lavalas politician, Patrick Elie last night. He said that he'd been in Canada in the 1960s, and off and on until 1980. He said back then we had a climate of social justice. Today, he says politics and political-culture seem to be obsessesed with the almighty dollar.

When politics is dominated by the rich (inevitable under capitalims) politics will be about wringing the population for its cash, crony-capitalism and naked corruption, and ratcheting up the superstitions, racism, and intolerance towards the marginalized so that the victims of your con-game turn their anger against targets other than the causes of their suffering.

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Cougyr
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posted 04 March 2006 03:20 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Of course it's not all bliss in the land of the Maple Leaf.

No. There is a quiet but steady skewing to the right in Canada; an allignment with America. The undertones are rather ugly, greater involvement in Bush's wars, missile defence, deep integration, rfid cards, etc. Our great leaders keep saying that we won't do those things, but they keep creeping at us anyway. The average Canadian has no idea that these things are happening. When the body bags come home, we'll all be blamming those terrorists and calling for more money to support our troops.


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otter
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posted 04 March 2006 06:34 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post
It may be important to acknowledge that the slide to the right is primarily found within the political arena with parties of every persuasion, in both Canada and the U.S.

Yet within our communities we find a majority of citizens that want certain socialistic and liberalistic ideals and freedoms promoted as well. The problem is they really have no relevant voice in the decision making process of what our governments invest in or promote.

This is the conundrum of having a system that is deemed to be democratic but employs a hierarchical top down monarchy style structure. A structure that, in effect, removes the 'demos'- the people - from the the 'cracy' - the political decision making that governs their lives.


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Bacchus
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posted 04 March 2006 09:02 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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I remember a newspaper story where I guy from Southern Alberta recalled the differences between the restaurants in a fast-food chain on both sides of the border. On the Canadian side, it was just another restaurant in the chain, but in the US, these northern Wyoming (?), Montana(?) outlets were decorated with all sorts of "wilderness" and "outdoor" paraphenalia, because they were up in the remote north, close to the frontier.


Hmm The 'montanas' here in Ontario are decorated with tons of wilderness, outdoor and even hunting paraphenalia so I dont think that point holds up anymore


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thwap
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posted 04 March 2006 11:51 PM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post
I meant the state, not the restaurant chain.

or ar u fuking with me?


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Bacchus
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posted 05 March 2006 04:17 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh sorry Thwap, I actually thought you meant the restaurant chain which really overdoes the outdoors motif

mea culpa


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