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Stargazer
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posted 29 November 2006 03:42 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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From troops on the ground to members of Congress, Americans increasingly blame the continuing violence and destruction in Iraq on the people most affected by it: the Iraqis.

Even Democrats who have criticized the Bush administration's conduct of the occupation say the people and government of Iraq are not doing enough to rebuild their society. The White House is putting pressure on the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, and members of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group have debated how much to blame Iraqis for not performing civic duties.


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"We should put the responsibility for Iraq's future squarely where it belongs -- on the Iraqis," began Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), the committee's next chairman. "We cannot save the Iraqis from themselves." He has advocated announcing that U.S. troops are going to withdraw as a way of pressuring Iraqi politicians to find compromises.

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) followed by noting: "People in South Carolina come up to me in increasing numbers and suggest that no matter what we do in Iraq, the Iraqis are incapable of solving their own problems through the political process and will resort to violence, and we need to get the hell out of there."

"We all want them to succeed," agreed Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.). "We all want them to be able to stabilize their country with the assistance that we've provided them." But, he added, "too often they seem unable or unwilling to do that."


Yep, they have sunk even lower than a gutter snake. They come in, bomb, maim and kill a whole bunch of people who did absolutely nothing to them; destroy their entire infrastructure and then blame the victims! How classy. Disgusting...

Washington Post


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Alberta Guy
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posted 29 November 2006 05:11 AM      Profile for Alberta Guy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a little simplistic to lay the blame at the feet of the Iraqis. It is also a little simplistic to lay all the blame at the feet of Americans.

The Americans did come in and destablilize the region, there is no arguing that. But, the militias from the various religious sects are not being all that helpful either.


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pogge
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posted 29 November 2006 06:16 AM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by Alberta Guy:
It is also a little simplistic to lay all the blame at the feet of Americans.

Since the current situation in Iraq was entirely predictable -- even I predicted it -- I have no problem at all laying the blame at the feet of the Bush administration.


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unionist
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posted 29 November 2006 06:32 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Alberta Guy:
It's a little simplistic to lay the blame at the feet of the Iraqis.

Are you sure?


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nister
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posted 29 November 2006 06:36 AM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The militias are being helpful to their own cause, self preservation. That's what drives the ascent of the various militias..fear.

When you say the militias are not being helpful, Alberta Guy, the unfinished thought is "helpful to American policy and practice".


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Brett Mann
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posted 29 November 2006 06:49 AM      Profile for Brett Mann        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My Lord, talk about adding insult to injury! And just to muddy the waters further, some intelligence-related websites report that al Qaeda has successfully set up shop in Iraq, maybe made Iraq their headquarters. The US seems pretty much finished in Iraq. This truly looks like the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history.
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Alberta Guy
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posted 29 November 2006 06:49 AM      Profile for Alberta Guy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was referring to the practice of Iraqi Militias fighting with each other.
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remind
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posted 29 November 2006 08:41 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Alberta Guy:
I was referring to the practice of Iraqi Militias fighting with each other.

This offers little or no clarity of what you meant by the former comment about not helpful, and now this one.

For example:

Do they have a habit of fighting one another?

If, they are fighting one another, who is that they are fighting, the so called insurrgents? Or is it Sunnis and Shias protecting their territory from one another, or is it their fighting against US Coalition troops who head the different militias? And helpful to whom; those in the west, the USA government, their own people, or just whom?

[ 29 November 2006: Message edited by: remind ]


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