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PoliticalDiscord
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posted 13 July 2005 09:34 PM      Profile for PoliticalDiscord   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For those of you who attended the CLC convention...where did the candidates stand on the Quebec Question...? Did Wall win any significant support from Quebec delegates?
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radiorahim
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posted 13 July 2005 09:39 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't know...wasn't there.

But the FTQ/QFL (Quebec Federation of Labour) has always been somewhat autonomous from the rest of the CLC.


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RP.
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posted 14 July 2005 08:43 AM      Profile for RP.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's some discussion here about the difference between Layton's and Duceppe's addresses to the convention. I seem to remember some mentioned that conventioneers were told by ... someone addressing the convention ... that they had two social democratic parties to consider supporting, the NDP and BQ.

edited to add: This response is probably more in line with the other thread you tried to start about the convention. Might as well wrap 'em up in one package!

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kingblake
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posted 14 July 2005 11:25 AM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by radiorahim:
But the FTQ/QFL (Quebec Federation of Labour) has always been somewhat autonomous from the rest of the CLC.
Click! Since 1993, they seem to have associated with the CLC through a "sovereignty-association"-type arrangement.

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rasmus
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posted 14 July 2005 12:09 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the labour movement, the Steelworkers, CAW, CUPE, and the CLC all have a kind of sovereingty-association arrangement. It seems to work out well.
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posted 14 July 2005 12:52 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Glad to read that, rr.

For the first time in CLC Convention history, a party leader other than the NDP leader was invited to speak. BQ leader Duceppe gives social democrats in English Canada another "friendly" perspective to examine [provided they can put any anti-separatist prejudices aside]. Georgetti stated that "there are now two social democratic parties in Parliament". That was the big news, other than Carol Wall's candidacy, at the Convention. It warms the cockles of my heart anytime there is solidarity and respect demonstrated towards French Canada from institutions in English Canada and I think it's fitting and natural that such solidarity and recognition comes from institutions of the working class. And maybe increased attention to the BQ and the differing treatment of political issues in French Canada might encourage a more friendly attitude towards "extra-Parliamentary" politics and activism between elections among social democrats in English Canada. One nation can and should learn from another.

Sidebar: I was really impressed with some of the mutual compliments between Real Menard (BQ) and Bill Siksay (NDP) in the debate on Bill C-38. I'll have a few more helpings of that, thank you very much.


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kingblake
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posted 14 July 2005 01:00 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I completely agree, NB, but I think I remember reading that the crowd was none too happy with Duceppe. In fact, I'm sure I read in the paper that he was met by heckling and people singing 'Oh Canada'. Fucking shameful, if you ask me. How is that supposed to foster solidarity and mutual understanding?

Is it possible that Georgetti was actually *ahead* of the rest of the delegates on this issue? But then again, it might have something to do with Georgetti's and Duceppe's mutual position on globalization Even so, you're right, it's an amazing step in the right direction (as was Jack being at the last FTQ convention - which IIRC he was).

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N.Beltov
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posted 14 July 2005 01:24 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very contradictory progress. That's life, eh?

Excuse my ignorance but what is IIRC?


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kingblake
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posted 14 July 2005 01:32 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I(f) I R(ecall) C(orrectly). That was the first, and possibly the last, time I'll ever use it, though.

I don't have an answer to the 1st person's post, but is there a link anywhere to either Wall or Duceppe's speeches?

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N.Beltov
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posted 14 July 2005 02:03 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, kingblake. BTW, robbie dee quoted Alex Levant on the other CLC thread that "the challenger was never permitted to address the convention (instead she shuttled to all the various evening caucuses and forums to have the chance to speak to delegates), while the incumbent presided over the whole convention."

So, there is no Carol Wall speech [unless you include what she said at the caucuses that she was allowed to speak to].

Levant also noted this: "Under these circumstances, all Georgetti had to do to win was breathe. While not technically an election victory, Carol Wall's 37% represents a crushing defeat for Georgetti."

But you've got me thinking that I should have a look for Duceppe's contributions [in English].


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posted 15 July 2005 06:48 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To give credit where credit is due, Ducceppe has been a much louder voice on the the EI surplus issue than Jack Layton over the past year or so.

Jack did speak up though on the disgraceful way that HRSDC has treated agencies serving the unemployed with their new funding system...but its a little hard for him to ignore since one of the agencies affected is just a few doors away from Jack's constituency office.


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kingblake
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posted 16 July 2005 03:59 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Right, I forgot about that (Wall not speaking to the convention).

Yes, the Bloc has been very strong on assurance chomage. I'm hoping Layton uses EI reform as the major plank of the NDP's fall demands, which of course the Libs cannot support, and then we use that to withdraw our support from the gov't.

Here's a link to Layon's speech at the CLC convention. I can't find a link to Duceppe's.


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