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jeff house
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posted 23 April 2008 08:48 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
what about the negroes in the South?
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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 23 April 2008 08:52 AM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What the hell are you talking about Jeff?
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jeff house
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posted 23 April 2008 09:03 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watch the video of the Cuban women being arrested.

Ask yourself: What crime did they commit? Are they blocking a street? Are they throwing stones?


Cuban women arrested

Incidentally, the Cuban official media have a description of this incident today:

quote:
YESTERDAY morning a small number of mercenary elements attempted to carry out a brazen, shameless provocation in the area of Plaza de la Revolución.

brazen justification of denial of free speech


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kropotkin1951
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posted 23 April 2008 09:10 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems in keeping with what would be a similar response in Canada. We send grandmothers to jail for protesting government decisions. We have a band council in jail for 6 months for refusing to agree to the exploitation of minerals on their lands. These women were released. I think everyone should have a right to protest unfortunately Canada is apparently harsher in its treatment of protesters than a country like Cuba. Shame on Canada for not even meeting the Cuban standard.
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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 23 April 2008 09:12 AM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
read the title that you gave the link. ask yourself what does this have to do with the video that i link to? am i possibly making an allusion to something that people don't know about? why did i choose to use the word negro?
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jeff house
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posted 23 April 2008 09:17 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The link had that title because I expect that the usual babble pile-on will occur, with claims that you cannot criticize Cuba because the same thing could happen elsewhere.

So, now that I have explained, take a look at the video.

By the way, the women who effect the arrest are "female troops from the Ministry of the Interior".

The same probably goes for all those spontaneously indignant protesters, but maybe they are just the Cuban equivalent of rednecks or hardhats.


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posted 23 April 2008 09:35 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Canada we have people being held in jails with no formal charges. In Canada we have endorsed prisoners being sent to be tortured. In Canada we have political prisoners (i.e. those who have the temerity to protest and get caught - remember the students held for Treason the day Mike the Knife Harris was elected?)

Canada is engaged in wars of aggression. Canada is engaged in secret SPP meetings in which ITS OWN CITIZENS are exempt. These meeting have to do with our very livelihood, yet the MSN and "our" leaders have failed to tell us what the hell is being done in our name. Canada allows it;s people to be tried by the US (see Marc Emery). Canada allows people to sit behind bars for years upon years, despite evidence that they are not guilty simply because they will not admit to a crime they did not commit.

I could go on and on...


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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 23 April 2008 09:35 AM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was under the impression that many babblers view protests as useless and would ask these women to have a nice chat with Raul?

Why would they pile on?


I did watch the video, hard to believe that that passes as news eh? A bunch of women have a sit in and then get bussed back home. I wish sit-ins in Canada could make the news!

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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 23 April 2008 09:37 AM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You still haven't answered as to why you think that you can use the word negro. I think that there is a precedent on babble that ironic uses of racism is not accepted.
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Cueball
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posted 23 April 2008 10:20 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have seen homeless people rounded up more or less like that. Also, some protestors here in Canada.
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jeff house
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posted 23 April 2008 10:23 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, and did you oppose that?
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Cueball
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posted 23 April 2008 10:27 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Directly? No. Have you ever?
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jeff house
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posted 23 April 2008 10:32 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you oppose or not oppose, whether directly or indirectly, mistreatment of homeless people and protesters?

Do you oppose mistreatment of protesters in Canada and in Cuba, or just in Canada, or are you
"ni chicha ni limona"?

As for me, of course I have often worked on behalf of homeless people and other protesters.

I'd guess I've done it forty times in the past fifteen years.


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Cueball
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posted 23 April 2008 10:37 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well Jeff actually I have intervened directly with police when they are harrassing homeless people, so much as to say I ask them "what they are doing," and observe their behaviour in such a way that they know they are being observed, but you see, this is about being directly involved in the situation as it is progressing in a way that directly relates to me, and my society and the police force I pay taxes toward.

However, unjust arrests of the type you are talking about are common throughout the world, and as far as arrests are concerned, that was pretty tame, however it might be construed as an infringement of the right of free speech and assembly.

I have watched people being mashed up pretty badly by the police force here, and elsewhere in the world, and that arrest, I would catetgorize as more or less on par with good police behaviour when engaging civil disobedience.


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jeff house
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posted 23 April 2008 10:39 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Directly? No.

Oh, now you have.

Well, good for you. Police should never arrest people protesting legitimately.

So, are you able to say anything about what is on the video, or are you going to do something you didn't do in the Canadian case, that is
TURN YOUR BACK on innocent people being wrongfully arrested by the police?


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Fidel
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posted 23 April 2008 10:42 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think homeless Canadians are being handed hefty fines now for the offense of being visible reminders of the rot and decay in Ottawa and Queen's Parks.
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Cueball
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posted 23 April 2008 10:49 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:

Oh, now you have.


No. Not in the sense that I unlawfully interupted the police physically. But yes, in terms of a social intervention.

I guess you were too busy frothing at the mouth to see that my post indicated that I thought the arrest was an infringement of the right of free speech and assembly.

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lagatta
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posted 23 April 2008 03:09 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Cueball, and will look this up at Amnesty International. Two wrongs don't make a right - though Cuba is by no means North Korea or the USSR under Stalin.

The problem in Cuba is that there is repression of free speech by legitimate dissidents, but also people who really are imperialist provocateurs (I doubt this is the case here). And the US war on Cuba is not a fabrication by the Castro and post-Castro government to maintain its hold on power - it is very real. That is why so many Latin Americans who are most moderate politically and not remotely "Marxists" or "revolutionaries" stand up for Cuba against the Yanquis.

Disclaimer - I can't view the video as I have a slow internet connection. But I'll try to find out more from human rights associations.

I've been roughed up by police more than once while peacefully protesting; unfortunately that happens in most parts of the world.


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M. Spector
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posted 23 April 2008 04:26 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's send some women whose husbands are in prison down to, say, Millhaven, to stage a sit-in demonstration demanding their husbands be released. Then let's watch and see how they are treated.

These women received support and encouragement in this publicity stunt from fascist US Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who is on record as calling for the assassination of Fidel Castro.

And contrary to the OP they were not "arrested" - none of them were charged with any offence - but they were removed to their homes. I can only dream of similar treatment next time I get arrested at a demo.

In my opinion, the Cuban authorities showed remarkable restraint in dealing with these women, who were conspiring with foreign powers to overthrow their own government.


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thorin_bane
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posted 23 April 2008 04:29 PM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was just plain disgraceful. The officers didn't use burly men to baton, pepper spray, or even tazer any of the protesters! Geez we need to send the RCMP to show them true jackboot, knee to the groin, canuck style of moving protesters. Maybe they should have their secret police infiltrate the protesters to start off a riot like we do. Man these Cubans know nothing on how to use state power to make protesters all look like anarchists and lunatics.

If anyone has a dull witted, steroid enhanced RCMP friends, who happens to not be trumping up charges falsely against their won citizens. Please let them know to take a direct flight to Cuba as they simply haven't been trained properly on thug style government oppression.(To be fair to the rcmp they have finally gone after harper, but only at the behest of election canada as they are obviously a propaganda arm of the liberal party as the cons rightly see them.)


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RosaL
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posted 23 April 2008 04:44 PM      Profile for RosaL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Cuban claim is plausible enough to be given the benefit of the doubt:

quote:
A few days ago, these counterrevolutionaries had obtained the support of representatives of the anti-Cuban mafia, receiving a call from Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen who, with a clearly interventionist purpose, encouraged actions by these miniscule groups in order to justify the funding granted by the U.S. government.

I'm not sure how many countries, subjected to constant threat and subversion from a nearby superpower over many decades, would act with comparable restraint .

I watched the video. The women did not appear to be in any way frightened. That seems to me to be significant.

[ 23 April 2008: Message edited by: RosaL ]


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Fidel
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posted 23 April 2008 04:45 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree, Thorin, that was pretty disgraceful. There wasn't even a police line with riot cops holding battle shields and thumping batons in hand in a menacing fashion, or even a bloody nose as per your average anti-globalization protest. I think WTO organizers are finding it harder and harder to find ever more remote locations in desperately poor, obscure nations to hold closed door meetings ... and inacessible to the regular press and independent news journalists.

And a spokesman for the Cuban women said they were later sent home to their children and families. Disgusting!


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posted 23 April 2008 05:08 PM      Profile for RosaL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to this source, one of the "Women in White", Laura Pollán

quote:
... admitted that on Apr. 18 the women were meeting in her house when they received a phone call from Cuban-American Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who Granma accused of encouraging "actions by these tiny groups as a justification for receiving financing" from Washington.

"But I want to clarify again that no one gives us instructions; we are independent, and all we are calling for is the release of the political prisoners," said the Women in White spokeswoman, who also rejected allegations that she was "in the pay" of the United States.

"What we receive comes from Cubans in exile, as assistance to help support our prisoners," she said.


Further,

quote:
Granma reported that the participants in the day-long "Cuban Democracy Roundtable" conference, which was attended by U.S. Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutiérrez, agreed that staunch support for dissidents is the way to foment democratic change in Cuba, and that the most important thing is for opponents on the island not to feel isolated and alone in their struggle.

According to Capitalist-run media conglomerate Reuters,

quote:
State-run television showed photos of the women meeting with Michael Parmly, the head of the U.S. Interests Section in Havana, which a commentator called "the headquarters of the Cuban counterrevolution."

The same newscast

quote:
played excerpts of a telephone conference call the women held on Friday with U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Florida Republican who is a staunch anti-Castro voice in Congress.

OK, I have to stop doing this and do some work!

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Jingles
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posted 23 April 2008 09:00 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Cuba, are the undercover police smart enough to change their boots before trying to incite a riot out of a peaceful protest?

Are CIA agents smart enough to call themselves "reporters" when they try to incite the Cuban government to arrest them?


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posted 23 April 2008 10:58 PM      Profile for KeyStone     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem here is that the Cuban government is a bit paranoid. This is what happens when you are under constant threat of terrorism, assasination, economic sabotage etc.

Add to this the fact that the US routinely attempts to pay Cubans to be critical of the government, and you have some real problems.

The US does everything it can to undermine Cuba and make its system fail so that its model will not spread to the rest of Latin America.


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