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Cueball
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posted 01 June 2004 05:03 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The trial of 69 Turkish al-Qa'ida suspects charged with suicide bombings in Istanbul last November got off to a near-farcical start yesterday, as a Turkish court opened proceedings only to rule that it was unfit to hear the case under recent changes to the law.

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DrConway
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posted 01 June 2004 01:03 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The article seems to imply that bin Laden took quite the personal interest in this project. Does anyone else find this an unreasonable proposition?
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Coyote
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posted 01 June 2004 05:34 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not really, Dr. Remember the place of Turkey in the Islamic world. A majority muslim population that has turned to secularism and to partnership with the US and Israel. Call it Al'Quadian Regime Change.
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DrConway
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posted 01 June 2004 10:55 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I should have clarified and pointed out that the article seems to imply bin Laden taking direct control over tactical decisions, when it was explained that Al Qaeda cells largely operate independently of each other and without much horizontal or vertical contact.


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Cueball
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posted 02 June 2004 12:32 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Al Qaeda cells largely operate independently of each other and without much horizontal or vertical contact.

You mean they aren't actually and organization?


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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 02 June 2004 06:14 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
this article may be helpful in illustrating how the structure(s) of "al-qaeda" has changed since the 2001 afghan war.

my understanding of al-qaeda, before the afghan war, was that:

i) in afghanistan

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Bin Laden set up a system to cream off the élite from the existing training camps to al-Qaeda. The camp administrators told the volunteers that the best of them would earn an audience with 'the Emir'. When bin Laden met them, his aides would pick the most promising and send them to more specialised camps where, instead of basic infantry techniques, they had psychological and physical tests, combat trials and finally instruction in the skills of the modern terrorist. Within a year, bin Laden had created the terrorist version of special forces.

ii) they served as a financing and co-ordination clearing house for international jihad (i.e. they would pick and choose who had the best ideas, mohammad atta, come on down, you're the next contestant, and fund/network/safehouse them ... and the rest would get the CD-ROM/VCR take-home game sent in the mail from afghanistan)

post-afghan war,

the disturbing metaphor has been metastasis, whereby you may not have a centralized clearing house but networks are springing up, led by former jihadis or those inspired by sept 11th, i.e. istanbul, morocco (for casablanca/madrid), indonesia/JI, etc.

[ 02 June 2004: Message edited by: Willowdale Wizard ]


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skdadl
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posted 02 June 2004 11:01 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WW, after reading your first link, I am confused about the ricin story especially. Is it true that that scare is the one that didn't pan out?
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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 02 June 2004 02:12 PM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the two "ringleaders" at the centre of the ricin scare were eventually imprisoned for posession of false passports, not terrorism. as i remember, there didn't even find "traces of ricin" at the north london flat in question.

i think that the value of that particular observer article is the realization by law enforcement as to what they are up against, and the possible use of "clean skins" -- people who have not had jihad training experience before.


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