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saskzen
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posted 28 November 2001 08:20 PM      Profile for saskzen     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Shocking news from the radio. They said that the Postal Union might go on stike, again. I was both shocked and surprised by the news. To be honest, I had thought they were already on strike! What possible reduction of service can there be? Will they now come door to door to destoy all letters?

Then I figured it out. It's getting near Christmas, the only time most people use the service. Why not pester the public at this prime time?


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JCL
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posted 28 November 2001 11:20 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course they'd go on strike around now. It's the busiest time of year. Ever heard of teachers going on strike when school was out for the summer?
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Jean-François DesLauriers
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posted 29 November 2001 03:16 AM      Profile for Jean-François DesLauriers   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes!

First of all, the postal workers involved in this dispute are members of the Public Service Alliance of Canada, Union of Postal Communication Employees. These workers provide administrative services and have never been on strike before.

Check out this website: http://www.psac.com/CB/Bargaining_2000/CanadaPost/Index-e.htm


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David Kyle
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posted 29 November 2001 10:38 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No matter how justified their reasoning is to go on strike it will hurt them in the end by driving away customers. What do they end up with; improved benefits, fewer customers, and fewer jobs.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 29 November 2001 11:00 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The post office's days are numbered. E-mail, fax, direct deposit, on-line banking, etc. The only thing keeping them going is their cheap parcel delivery rates, and UPS is suing them via NAFTA over that.

It's like the employees of a horseshoe factory going on strike because the automobile is ruining their business.


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LotusGrrrl
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posted 29 November 2001 09:48 PM      Profile for LotusGrrrl        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because they have the right to strike, because there is no movement at the bargaining table, and because there is a strong strike mandate by their membership, if they decide to go on strike to exert some pressure on the employer to bargain...go for it!
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Snafu
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posted 29 November 2001 11:57 PM      Profile for Snafu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tend to stop going to some places where they go on strike and harrass customers. They have the right to strike but they sure as hell don't have the right to kick my car or obstruct my path where I want to walk or go. When a company goes belly up, nuts to the strikers. They lost their jobs.
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David Kyle
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posted 30 November 2001 10:08 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We all witnessed a classic example of that with the Canada 3000 unions.

The day before the company went under the company's lead lawyer did a quick walk by interview. His quick comment of "...do the unions think we are joking..." sent chills down my spine. It was one of the rare occassions were I've seen a company being brutally honest. The next day, Canada 3000 went out of business.

We had another classic example of a union not understanding the bigger picture in Edmonton. A local meat packing operation was out on strike. The employer put forward their final offer with the condition that if it was not accepted they would shutdown the operation. The union said no, the operation shutdown and moved to Saskachewan to setup a union shop. The company had talked with a Saskachewan union that wanted the work and accepted the offer to get the jobs. Over 200 people were out of work in Edmonton. Over 200 unionized jobs were created in Saskachewan.

Yes, the Canadian Postal workers have the right strike. Yes, they have a few valid grievances, that taken out of context, are worth striking over. But does the union seriously think they can continue the strikes without lossing business and lossing staff.

It would be interesting to see the job loss stats at Canada Post for the last ten years.

[ November 30, 2001: Message edited by: David Kyle ]


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DrConway
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posted 30 November 2001 01:05 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem is that unions expect management to be lying about the state of affairs of the business because that's what always happens in labor negotiations. "Good lord, we can't afford this, we're losing money this year!" (The Union Negotiator Rolling His Eyes) "Sure, tell me another one, buster."

It also doesn't help that the top brass help themselves to their expense accounts and fancy company vehicles and then at the same time insist on rounds of belt-tightening from the workers.


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WingNut
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posted 30 November 2001 04:57 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When was the last postal strike?
Anyone know?

Why is it everyone supports the right to strike until someone excercises it?

Why is it no denies corporations the right to strike?

If you can't afford a Big Mac, Mcdonalds
will not serve you. Where are all the protests that the greedy corporation should take what it is offered and be damn happy to get it?


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 30 November 2001 05:51 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's a problem with your analogy. The consumer isn't legally obligated to buy from McDonalds afterwards. Companies are legally obligated to take back strikers once the strike is over.

I ain't saying that folk shouldn't have the right to strike. I'm just saying it's a poor analogy.


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WingNut
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posted 30 November 2001 06:07 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps it is not a good analogy. But the current anti-worker environment, where corporations can just shutdown and move without penalty, sort of alleviates them of any obligation to re-hire anyone.
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abnormal
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posted 30 November 2001 08:15 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wing Nut,

Actually Canada Post doesn't have much choice in terms of relocation outside the country. By the same token, if you live in Canada you're on the receiving end of a monopoly. Unlike the burger joint analogy the Postal Service does not have a competitor on the next block (not strictly true since there are private courier services that will do whatever Canada Post will do but for a lot more money - this latter means that any strike impacts the "public" much more than large corporations who already send much of their mail via courier).

On the other hand if we look at "companies" in general, whatever that may mean, I'm not sure how you can stop them from relocating. If you want to pass a law that says that under certain circumstances they can't leave, I can't imagine anyone from outside of Canada ever setting up any sort of significant operations in Canada -- at the risk of sounding cynical, I'm not taking sides here but I learned a long time ago that there are a lot of incredibly bright people out there who are paid unbelievable amounts of money to figure out how to work "with" any set of rules to achieve the desired objective. To be quite honest, I can't come up with a way to stop companies from relocating that I haven't been able to circumvent within 5 minutes and that's not even what I do for a living. Wait 'til you meet the pro's.

In all seriousness, before you start calling me names how do you stop companies from leaving whenever they want to [I do assume that they are willing to walk on their capital investment in the form of plants etc.] Assuming you have an answer to the first part, how do you convince them that they want to come in the first place.


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David Kyle
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posted 17 December 2001 09:12 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Any news about a possible Canada Post strike/lockout?
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